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Gary,
Club publications have evolved over the years. I see less of that
"my favorite colonial" and "look what I found in a group lot" type of
articles. I think the reason being is that in the early days of C4N,
CNL & P-W, we didn't have the internet to ask questions, share finds and
chat numismatically. Now we have almost instant gratification at our
fingertips. I'd personally like to see some of the ask the editor type
posts again. But in general, why wait a time for your question to get
published, and then wait another three months (longer for P-W & CNL) for
the next edition to see if someone replied? You can post the question
here...
So the types of articles have changed in colonial publications. You
ask why have the publications when we have the internet? There are many
C4 members that are not on chat groups. The C4N is the platform that
binds our club membership together. With online indexes for C4N & CNL,
you can easily find research that has been done. You can borrow issues
from either publication from the C4 Library for the cost of postage.
Penny Wise has an index at year's end for that year. I don't think that
there is an index for the entire publication run. But especially before
there was a C4, Penny Wise had awesome colonial articles too. They
should not be forgotten!
The format of the C4N is intentional. Having it in the 8 1/2 x 11
single page format allows for pages to be easily copied. The current
size is much more user friendly for plates than was the older 5 1/2 x 8
1/2. The pages can be hole punched to keep them in binders. They store
easily in manila folders in a file cabinet. If you look at the page
margins, those that want to bind the issues into a book format can
easily do so. A paper format allows you to make notes in the margins.
C4N & P-W are staple bound. The only advantage I see to this is that it
does make it easier to read while holding a coffee in the other hand.
Not that the reader would be aware, but the editor of C4N needs to have
the page count divisible by two while the C4N and P-W editors need their
page counts divisible by four. Okay... If you've made it this far,
then I'm boring you out of your mind probably. We don't think about
these things - we just enjoy the publications. The volunteers behind
the scenes discuss and decide things such as this, on behalf of the
membership.
Editors - now there's a job that takes a lot of time and gets
little public recognition. How much easier their jobs would be if they
had a years worth of articles written and in reserve, rather than having
to go begging for material as the publication deadline approaches? Syd
Martin has done an outstanding job editing C4N for a decade or more!
(More I think) If you see him at a C4 Convention, buy him a coffee and
say thanks! This coming November, Oliver Hoover will be at the C4
Convention. Oliver is the editor of CNL. I don't know if he drinks
coffee (regular or decaf) but give him a pat on the back too.
Okay,
Gotta run
Happy Easter to all that celebrate it,
Happy B-Day to me ( I can now collect social security if I wish... LOL)
Ray
On 4/19/2014 10:14 PM, Jeff Rock wrote:
>
>
> Gary, as one of the four people who founded C4, I have to say that we
> ALWAYS thought the group would last -- but I don't think any of us had
> the idea that it would thrive as well as it did. When it started
> Michael Hodder had the idea that it would be more of a social club and
> that the journal would be more along the lines of "my favorite
> colonial" and "look what I found in a group lot" type of articles,
> since CNL was the repository for scholarly info -- but lacked the
> social aspect. Luckily Hodder was wrong, and the journal --
> especially under the editorship of Syd Martin -- has attracted some
> first-rate articles, cutting edge research and the two publications
> exist in harmony -- indeed, our editor is also the President of the
> ANS, which publishes CNL! I am glad to see, though, that the social
> aspect of the club has remained strong, and the yearly convention is,
> I think, what keeps the hobby interesting for many of us!
>
> Now that you had a taste of the journal, I would second what Ray said
> -- buy the back issues on CD. And subscribe to CNL and get those back
> issues as well. You will have a good year or more of back-reading to
> get through, and you will love every minute of it!
>
> Jeff
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net
> <mailto:njraywms@optonline.net>> wrote:
>
> Gary,
> There is a CD available for the back issues. There's probably
> info on how to order in the C4N. Glad you're finally here. And I
> look forward to seeing you write something too.
> Ray
>
>
>
>
> On 4/19/2014 9:58 PM, Gry1564@aol.com <mailto:Gry1564@aol.com> wrote:
>> Good Evening ALL!!!
>> I received my FIRST C4N in the mail today! :-) And I'm SO
>> looking forward to diving into it!!! But before I start, I just
>> wanted to write to all of you here, how excited I am to begin
>> this LONG over due "journey"!!! I've been an EAC member for many
>> years, and I recall how terrific some of the articles relating to
>> Colonials were when they were included in PW prior to the "birth"
>> of C4. SOME of the best IMHO! I still have all the PW issues from
>> it's founding, but I've missed so much in all these years.
>> Frankly; at the time; I remember thinking C4 wouldn't last. That
>> there wasn't enough interest in the field to support an entire
>> new "group".
>> Well, how wrong I was! It not only survived, but THRIVED!!!
>> So I just wanted to share my excitement with all of you here,
>> and hope that I can contribute even in a small way, or submit
>> something for publication down the road! Now THAT would be neat;
>> even to be considered!!!
>> ALL of you here? Well; THANKS for getting me off my butt! :-)
>> Not too late to start, so let me read a bit. DEFINITELY a "cover
>> to cover" publication!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> Best Wishes to ALL; in this Holiday season!!!
>> gary
>> In a message dated 4/19/2014 8:18:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> njraywms@optonline.net <mailto:njraywms@optonline.net> writes:
>>
>> Corrected text from last post - should have reread before
>> sending:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> For what year are you inquiring? Also, What volume are
>>> you looking for an issue #3? Volume 1 of C4N had only two
>>> issues, Volume 2 had four issues. I just double checked the
>>> C4N index, sorted by Volume and Page number and this is what
>>> I get. There are two years with only three issues... one
>>> year due to the editor just getting out only three and the
>>> other because of a change in issue/season nomenclature. If
>>> you have a number 4 for the first year, PLMK
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> PS Randy Clark and I have the editable C4N index spread
>>> sheets. I don't think you can go to the C4 website and data
>>> sort the index without being able to change the PDF files to
>>> something else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Gary,<br>
Club publications have evolved over the years. I see less of
that "my favorite colonial" and "look what I found in a group lot"
type of articles. I think the reason being is that in the early
days of C4N, CNL & P-W, we didn't have the internet to ask
questions, share finds and chat numismatically. Now we have almost
instant gratification at our fingertips. I'd personally like to see
some of the ask the editor type posts again. But in general, why
wait a time for your question to get published, and then wait
another three months (longer for P-W & CNL) for the next edition
to see if someone replied? You can post the question here... <br>
So the types of articles have changed in colonial publications.
You ask why have the publications when we have the internet? There
are many C4 members that are not on chat groups. The C4N is the
platform that binds our club membership together. With online
indexes for C4N & CNL, you can easily find research that has
been done. You can borrow issues from either publication from the
C4 Library for the cost of postage. Penny Wise has an index at
year's end for that year. I don't think that there is an index for
the entire publication run. But especially before there was a C4,
Penny Wise had awesome colonial articles too. They should not be
forgotten!<br>
The format of the C4N is intentional. Having it in the 8 1/2 x
11 single page format allows for pages to be easily copied. The
current size is much more user friendly for plates than was the
older 5 1/2 x 8 1/2. The pages can be hole punched to keep them in
binders. They store easily in manila folders in a file cabinet. If
you look at the page margins, those that want to bind the issues
into a book format can easily do so. A paper format allows you to
make notes in the margins. C4N & P-W are staple bound. The
only advantage I see to this is that it does make it easier to read
while holding a coffee in the other hand. Not that the reader would
be aware, but the editor of C4N needs to have the page count
divisible by two while the C4N and P-W editors need their page
counts divisible by four. Okay... If you've made it this far, then
I'm boring you out of your mind probably. We don't think about
these things - we just enjoy the publications. The volunteers
behind the scenes discuss and decide things such as this, on behalf
of the membership. <br>
Editors - now there's a job that takes a lot of time and gets
little public recognition. How much easier their jobs would be if
they had a years worth of articles written and in reserve, rather
than having to go begging for material as the publication deadline
approaches? Syd Martin has done an outstanding job editing C4N for
a decade or more! (More I think) If you see him at a C4
Convention, buy him a coffee and say thanks! This coming November,
Oliver Hoover will be at the C4 Convention. Oliver is the editor of
CNL. I don't know if he drinks coffee (regular or decaf) but give
him a pat on the back too. <br>
Okay,<br>
Gotta run<br>
Happy Easter to all that celebrate it,<br>
Happy B-Day to me ( I can now collect social security if I wish...
LOL)<br>
Ray<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>Gary, as one of the four people who founded C4, I have to
say that we ALWAYS thought the group would last -- but I don't
think any of us had the idea that it would thrive as well as
it did. When it started Michael Hodder had the idea that it
would be more of a social club and that the journal would be
more along the lines of "my favorite colonial" and "look what
I found in a group lot" type of articles, since CNL was the
repository for scholarly info -- but lacked the social
aspect. Luckily Hodder was wrong, and the journal --
especially under the editorship of Syd Martin -- has attracted
some first-rate articles, cutting edge research and the two
publications exist in harmony -- indeed, our editor is also
the President of the ANS, which publishes CNL! I am glad to
see, though, that the social aspect of the club has remained
strong, and the yearly convention is, I think, what keeps the
hobby interesting for many of us!</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Now that you had a taste of the journal, I would second
what Ray said -- buy the back issues on CD. And subscribe to
CNL and get those back issues as well. You will have a good
year or more of back-reading to get through, and you will love
every minute of it!<br>
<br>
Jeff</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Ray
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<p> Gary,<br>
There is a CD available for the back issues.
There's probably info on how to order in the C4N.
Glad you're finally here. And I look forward to
seeing you write something too.<br>
Ray</p>
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<div>On 4/19/2014 9:58 PM, <a
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<div><font>Good Evening ALL!!!</font></div>
<div><font> I received my FIRST C4N in the
mail today! :-) And I'm SO looking
forward to diving into it!!! But before
I start, I just wanted to write to all
of you here, how excited I am to begin
this LONG over due "journey"!!! I've
been an EAC member for many years, and I
recall how terrific some of the
articles relating to Colonials were when
they were included in PW prior to the
"birth" of C4. SOME of the best IMHO! I
still have all the PW issues from it's
founding, but I've missed so much in all
these years. Frankly; at the time; I
remember thinking C4 wouldn't last. That
there wasn't enough interest in the
field to support an entire new "group".</font></div>
<div><font>Well, how wrong I was! It not
only survived, but THRIVED!!! </font></div>
<div><font> So I just wanted to share my
excitement with all of you here, and
hope that I can contribute even in a
small way, or submit something for
publication down the road!</font> <font>Now
THAT would be neat; even to be
considered!!!</font></div>
<div><font> ALL of you here? Well; THANKS
for getting me off my butt! :-) </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font>Not too late to start, so let me
read a bit. DEFINITELY a "cover to
cover" publication!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font> Best Wishes to ALL; in this
Holiday season!!!</font></div>
<div><font> gary</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>In a message dated 4/19/2014 8:18:28
A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <a
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target="_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a>
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<p>Corrected text from last post -
should have reread before sending:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Bill,<br>
For what year are you
inquiring? Also, What volume are
you looking for an issue #3?
Volume 1 of C4N had only two
issues, Volume 2 had four issues.
I just double checked the C4N
index, sorted by Volume and Page
number and this is what I get.
There are two years with only
three issues... one year due to
the editor just getting out only
three and the other because of a
change in issue/season
nomenclature. If you have a
number 4 for the first year, PLMK<br>
Ray<br>
<br>
PS Randy Clark and I have the
editable C4N index spread sheets.
I don't think you can go to the C4
website and data sort the index
without being able to change the
PDF files to something else.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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