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All, Sorry to be so evasive. Unfortunately I didn't make my self clear, s=
o let me try again. In the assay of September 1776, one of the coins menti=
oned is a Swedish Ducat. This is a gold bullion coin of approx. 3.5g. The=
re are also ducats from other countries mentioned in the assay. I am tryin=
g to get one of every coin in this assay and am down to the last two.
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One of the coins I need is the Swedish Ducat. I have come across a coin mi=
nted under the authorization of Sweden in a part of what is now Germany. T=
his territory was conquered and occupied by Sweden from 1631 to 1648. I am=
now considering buying a coin minted in this occupied territory. Although=
it is not a duplicate design of the coins minted in Sweden, it does have t=
he bust of the King of Sweden on the obverse and the inscription identifies=
the King of Sweden also. The reverse shows the coat of arms of the King o=
f Sweden. It is a gold bullion coin of the proper weight and would probabl=
y have circulated along with other bullion coins of the 16th and 17th centu=
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So does this qualify as a Swedish Ducat? What's your opinion?
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To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 10:57:43 -0500
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Leo,
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that the coins produced in the occupied territory are theoretically as rele=
vant if not more so. and they are usually more
affordable.
Will
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Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] RE: Need an Opinion
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Date: Sat, February 14, 2015 9:50 pm
To: "Colonial Coins Group" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
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> Bruce / Ray
> So what you are saying is that the coin minted in an occupied territory i=
s only a temporary "hole filler" until one from the actual country is found=
. It would not end your hunt for a coin minted in the actual country you ar=
e looking for. Is that correct?
> I wonder what others think.
> Leo
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> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
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From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:36:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] RE: Need an Opinion
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> Absolutely Lion Dollars circulated here. NY actually printed
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> counterfeiting them, but I can't remember where I heard that. So
> you should have a Lion Dollar ion your collection sitting right next
> to your 8R type coin. You can read more about the Lion Dollar at
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> http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/ColCoinIntros/Lion-Dollar.intro.html
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> our collections were from colonial mints. Articles such as
> Oliver's on Islamic coins that circulated here expand my
> understanding of colonial is. I'd like to add a Lion Dollar
> that was copied in another European state to my collection
> some time. Sort of the same deal, I'd think. Are any of them
> known to have circulated here along with the real Netherlands
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> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Ray
> Williams njraywms@optonline.net
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> Hi Leo,
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> I also collect "foreign" coins that circulated
> in our British American colonies. I would guess
> that if not too expensive, purchase the coin
> minted in a possession of the country you want,
> and make it due until a coin from the actual
> country becomes available (affordable). If it
> never becomes available, then you're covered by
> having one from its possession's mint.
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> I hope you all remembered it's Valentine's
> Day. If you forgot... it may not be as easy to
> purchase coins in the future.
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> On 2/14/2015 12:08 PM, Leo Shane leo_j_shane@hotmail.com
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> I have to make. As you know, many coins from
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> Colonies. I am looking to acquire a coin
> representing a certain country and
> denomination. I have found a coin that was
> issued by that country but in an occupied land.
> Does that qualify as a coin of the country I'm
> looking for? I have my own opinion and know
> that we can define our collection any way we
> want. I was just curious as to what others
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>All, Sorry to be so evasiv=
e. Unfortunately I didn't make my self clear, so let me try again.&nb=
sp; In the assay of September 1776, one of the coins mentioned is a Sw=
edish Ducat. This is a gold bullion coin of approx. 3.5g. There=
are also ducats from other countries mentioned in the assay. I am tr=
ying to get one of every coin in this assay and am down to the last two.<BR=
> <BR>One of the coins I need is the Swedish Ducat. I have come =
across a coin minted under the authorization of Sweden in a part of what is=
now Germany. This territory was conquered and occupied by Sweden fro=
m 1631 to 1648. I am now considering buying a coin minted in thi=
s occupied territory. Although it is not a duplicate design of the co=
ins minted in Sweden, it does have the bust of the King of Sweden=
on the obverse and the inscription identifies the King of Sweden also.&nbs=
p; The reverse shows the coat of arms of the King of Sweden. =
; It is a gold bullion coin of the proper weight and would probably have ci=
rculated along with other bullion coins of the 16th and 17th century.<BR>&n=
bsp;<BR>So does this qualify as a Swedish Ducat? What's your opinion?=
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talking about. If it's what I'm thinking about, I face the same deci=
sion and have decided that the coins produced in the occupied territory are=
theoretically as relevant if not more so. and they are usually more
affordable.<BR>Will<BR> <BR><br>---------------------------- Original =
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Date: Sat, February 14, 2015 9:50 pm<br>
To: "Colonial Coins Group" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com><br>
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> Bruce / Ray<br>
> So what you are saying is that the coin minted in an occupied territor=
y is only a temporary "hole filler" until one from the actual country is fo=
und. It would not end your hunt for a coin minted in the actual country you=
are looking for. Is that correct?<br>
> I wonder what others think.<br>
> Leo<br>
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> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<br>
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From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<br>
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:36:42 -0500<br>
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] RE: Need an Opinion<br>
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> paper money denominated in Lion Dollars in 1709. There are<br>
> references to them being in circulation in several colonies and i<br>
> think that they were so common that someone in Boston was<br>
> counterfeiting them, but I can't remember where I heard that. So<br>
> you should have a Lion Dollar ion your collection sitting right next<b=
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> to your 8R type coin. You can read more about the Lion Dollar at<br>
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> Lots of good info at that site courtesy of Lou Jordan.<br>
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> On 2/14/2015 1:31 PM, Bruce Smith<br>
> bhsmith325@gmail.com [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
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> Hi Leo,<br>
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> I'd agree with Ray. The Spanish coins many of us include in<br>
> our collections were from colonial mints. Articles such as<br>
> Oliver's on Islamic coins that circulated here expand my<br>
> understanding of colonial is. I'd like to add a Lion Dollar<br>
> that was copied in another European state to my collection<br>
> some time. Sort of the same deal, I'd think. Are any of them<br>
> known to have circulated here along with the real Netherlands<br>
> coins?<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Bruce<br>
><br>
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> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Ray<br>
> Williams njraywms@optonline.net<br>
> [colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com><br>
> wrote:<br>
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> Hi Leo,<br>
><br>
> I also collect "foreign" coins that circulated<br>
> in our British American colonies. I would guess<br>
> that if not too expensive, purchase the coin<br>
> minted in a possession of the country you want,<br>
> and make it due until a coin from the actual<br>
> country becomes available (affordable). If it<br>
> never becomes available, then you're covered by<br>
> having one from its possession's mint.<br>
><br>
> I hope you all remembered it's Valentine's<br>
> Day. If you forgot... it may not be as easy to<br>
> purchase coins in the future.<br>
><br>
> Ray<br>
><br>
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><br>
> On 2/14/2015 12:08 PM, Leo Shane leo_j_shane@hotmail.com<br>
> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I'd like to hear opinions from<br>
> fellow collectors on the following decision that<br>
> I have to make. As you know, many coins from<br>
> Europe and other continents circulated in the<br>
> Colonies. I am looking to acquire a coin<br>
> representing a certain country and<br>
> denomination. I have found a coin that was<br>
> issued by that country but in an occupied land.<br>
> Does that qualify as a coin of the country I'm<br>
> looking for? I have my own opinion and know<br>
> that we can define our collection any way we<br>
> want. I was just curious as to what others<br>
> would say.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Stay warm this cold weekend (in the Northeast)<br>
> and Thanks<br>
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