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Ray, IF you could only catalogue things that interested you that would be
great. But unfortunately if you work for an auction house you catalogue
what comes in -- for every collection of NJ coppers or cool counterfeits
that came in you would probably have 10,000 slabbed Morgan dollars. And
how many times can you say "rare" without laughing to yourself about how
common that crap really is compared to the stuff we all collect? I think
someone like Hodder or Kraljevich really shows their skills when they get a
collection like Fords, etc. But when it's just humrum stuff you start
seeing those short 2-sentence descriptions, and that is just darned boring
to do (and to read).
Jeff
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Ray, so true, 90% is bread and butter bullion and general collectors
> coins but occasionally my jaw would drop at a collection! I valued a
> collection in Dublin ten years ago of choice UNC guineas, every year made
> from 1662, in the Bank of Ireland, the vendor was over 90 but wouldn't
> sell, was Still upgrading!' I'd love to hear what came of it!! Best wishe=
s
> Rick
>
> ------------------------------
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 2:29 AM BST Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
> [colonial-coins] wrote:
>
> >I recognize two of the auction house names - haven't heard of Phillips.
> >That's some nice info to have on a resume. I would think that
> >cataloging could be fun, but I've heard some catalogers talk about it
> >being drudgery. I guess like any job - you like it or you don't.
> >Thanks for getting back
> >Ray
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:46 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
> >[colonial-coins] wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>
> >> Hi Ray, only Phillips, Glendinings and Sovereign Auctions, all London
> >> based
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 7:32 PM BST Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
> >> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>
> >> Cool,
> >> Have you done any auction catalogs that might be in my library?
> >> Ray
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:29 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
> >> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ray, I've been logging Ebay and UK dealers sales plus what I've
> >>> had to pay for cfts and evasions over the decade, I've paid over
> >>> =C2=A31000 on a few lustrous or rare ones. Prices are in VG, F, VF an=
d EF
> >>> with a guide to judging grades as the coins were often deliberately
> >>> aged, priced in USD. I have over 600 cfts myself so they proved
> >>> useful in compiling the book, I'm an auction cataloguer myself so
> >>> editing etc was no problem. The first 50 pages are the History of
> >>> Counterfeiting and a guide to spotting differences. I'll post a
> >>> contents page soon as I get home next week buddy! Best wishes Rick
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 1:00 PM BST Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
> >>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Rick,
> >>> This sounds like just what the hobby needs! I've wanted the
> >>> ctft chat groups to do this for over a decade. Who did you use to
> >>> do the editing? What did you use for the price guide? Auctions?
> >>> Ebay? Could you post the table of contents?
> >>> Ray
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 07:51 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
> >>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Roger, I've written it over the past decade, about quarter from
> >>> my collection, others from friends etc, dates from 1700 to 1822
> >>> with all major varieties I came across. Over 1000 images of cfts
> >>> and evasions. Galata Publishers and Clem kindly gave me the use of
> >>> their images. Token Publishers in Honiton, Devon published it last
> >>> week and are selling well. Retail 50USD but Forum members its 40USD
> >>> plus post. Its really to encourage new collectors plus set a price
> >>> guide for existing coins. Let me know if you'd like a copy! Bed
> >>> wishes Rick
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 3:22 AM BST rogermoore435@yahoo.com
> >>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Rickie. I did not know about book. Who printed it? Who
> >>> authored it? What was it on? Roger
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:56 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
> >>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Roger, great idea, I'll try to make it ! I wonder if we combined
> >>> the cfts with update on evasions we'd have more attendance? I've
> >>> just finished stalling out at the summer FUN show were I sold out
> >>> the 150 copies of newly printed book COUNTERFEIT GEORGIAN COPPER
> >>> COINS so hopefully we'd get more than 25 attending Regards Rick
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 11:43 PM BST rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
> >>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 8:59 PM BST rogermoore435@yahoo.com
> >>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ray, my guess is the actual participants and additional people
> >>> would be only 25 or so but I agree we need to get a commitment. But
> >>> to get a commitment we need to know the time that is open since
> >>> some will be tied up at the bourse or not be able to attend at that
> >>> time. Sort of a catch 22. In any case if my suggest goes over like
> >>> a lead ballon, we need go no further. Roger
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
> >>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Roger,
> >>> Let me try again... It sounds like a good idea. I don't know what
> >>> time lengths are available for the room. Lets see how many you get
> >>> to commit to attend. I'm sure we'll be able to figure out any
> >>> needed A/V. Post also to contemporary cfts too. Jeff Lipsky has
> >>> been working hard on educational events and already has a schedule
> >>> of speakers. So when you have numbers and know what you'd like to
> >>> accomplish, we can work on how to do it. But don't dawdle.
> >>> Ray
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 02:40 PM, rogermoore435@yahoo.com
> >>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It sounds like people have an interest in getting together at C4
> >>>> for
> >>> a cft symposium. First in this process would be to get a time that
> >>> we could meet. I was thinking three hours would be good, if we
> >>> could get 5 or 6 volunteers to give a Family update. Longer if a
> >>> lot of people wanted to speak about a Family. Before going any
> >>> father in regard to who will speak on what, we need the convention
> >>> organizers to give us time slots for a room that would be open for
> >>> three hours and could accommodate (20? 30? Less?) people. For those
> >>> interested what are your feelings about this? If talks are going to
> >>> be given, some sort of screen and digital projector will be needed.
> >>> Ray, are you involved with this C4 meeting? If not, whom should we
> >>> contact? Just thought that if we were going to do this we need to
> >>> get it organized early. We could also put together a booklet of
> >>> plates for the Families we discuss for sale by C4 to anyone else
> >>> interested. Just a thought. Roger
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>> Posted by: rogermoore435@yahoo.com
> >>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Yahoo Groups Links
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>> Posted by: rick coleman ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>> Posted by: rick coleman ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >> Posted by: rick coleman ------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Ray, IF you could only catalogue things that interest=
ed you that would be great.=C2=A0 But unfortunately if you work for an auct=
ion house you catalogue what comes in -- for every collection of NJ coppers=
or cool counterfeits that came in you would probably have 10,000 slabbed M=
organ dollars.=C2=A0 And how many times can you say "rare" withou=
t laughing to yourself about how common that crap really is compared to the=
stuff we all collect?=C2=A0 I think someone like Hodder or Kraljevich real=
ly shows their skills when they get a collection like Fords, etc.=C2=A0 But=
when it's just humrum stuff you start seeing those short 2-sentence de=
scriptions, and that is just darned boring to do (and to read).</div><div><=
br>Jeff</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, rick coleman <a href=3D"mailto:r99cc@yah=
oo.com">r99cc@yahoo.com</a> [colonial-coins] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins=
@yahoogroups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br>
Hi Ray, so true, 90% is bread and butter bullion and general collectors coi=
ns but occasionally my jaw would drop at a collection! I valued a collectio=
n in Dublin ten years ago of choice UNC guineas, every year made from 1662,=
in the Bank of Ireland, the vendor was over 90 but wouldn't sell, was =
Still upgrading!' I'd love to hear what came of it!! Best wishes Ri=
ck <br>
<br>
------------------------------<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 2:29 AM BST Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@op=
tonline.net" target=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins] =
wrote:<br>
<br>
>I recognize two of the auction house names - haven't heard of Phill=
ips.=C2=A0 <br>
>That's some nice info to have on a resume.=C2=A0 I would think that=
<br>
>cataloging could be fun, but I've heard some catalogers talk about =
it <br>
>being drudgery.=C2=A0 I guess like any job - you like it or you don'=
;t.<br>
>Thanks for getting back<br>
>Ray<br>
>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:46 PM, rick coleman <a href=3D"mailto:=
r99cc@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">r99cc@yahoo.com</a> <br>
>[colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>=C2=A0<br>
>=C2=A0><br>
>><br>
>> Hi Ray, only Phillips, Glendinings and Sovereign Auctions, all Lon=
don <br>
>> based<br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 7:32 PM BST Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:nj=
raywms@optonline.net" target=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a> <br>
>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Cool,<br>
>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Have you done any auction catalogs that m=
ight be in my library?<br>
>> Ray<br>
>> =C2=A0<br>
>> =C2=A0<br>
>> =C2=A0On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:29 AM, rick coleman <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:r99cc@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">r99cc@yahoo.com</a> <br>
>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>> =C2=A0<br>
>> =C2=A0><br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Ray, I've been logging Ebay and UK dealers sales plus w=
hat I've <br>
>>> had to pay for cfts and evasions over the decade, I've pai=
d over <br>
>>> =C2=A31000 on a few lustrous or rare ones. Prices are in VG, F=
, VF and EF <br>
>>> with a guide to judging grades as the coins were often deliber=
ately <br>
>>> aged, priced in USD. I have over 600 cfts myself so they prove=
d <br>
>>> useful in compiling the book, I'm an auction cataloguer my=
self so <br>
>>> editing etc was no problem. The first 50 pages are the History=
of <br>
>>> Counterfeiting and a guide to spotting differences. I'll =
post a <br>
>>> contents page soon as I get home next week buddy! Best wishes =
Rick<br>
>>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 1:00 PM BST Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailt=
o:njraywms@optonline.net" target=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a> <br>
>>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Rick,<br>
>>> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This sounds like just what the hobby =
needs!=C2=A0 I've wanted the <br>
>>> ctft chat groups to do this for over a decade.=C2=A0 Who did y=
ou use to <br>
>>> do the editing?=C2=A0=C2=A0What did you use for the price guid=
e?=C2=A0 Auctions?=C2=A0 <br>
>>> Ebay?=C2=A0 Could you post the table of contents?<br>
>>> Ray<br>
>>> =C2=A0<br>
>>> =C2=A0<br>
>>> =C2=A0On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 07:51 AM, rick coleman <a href=
=3D"mailto:r99cc@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">r99cc@yahoo.com</a> <br>
>>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>>> =C2=A0<br>
>>> =C2=A0><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Roger, I've written it over the past decade, about quar=
ter from <br>
>>> my collection, others from friends etc, dates from 1700 to 182=
2 <br>
>>> with all major varieties I came across. Over 1000 images of cf=
ts <br>
>>> and evasions. Galata Publishers and Clem kindly gave me the us=
e of <br>
>>> their images. Token Publishers in Honiton, Devon published it =
last <br>
>>> week and are selling well. Retail 50USD but Forum members its =
40USD <br>
>>> plus post. Its really to encourage new collectors plus set a p=
rice <br>
>>> guide for existing coins. Let me know if you'd like a copy=
! Bed <br>
>>> wishes Rick<br>
>>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 3:22 AM BST <a href=3D"mailto:rogermoore4=
35@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">rogermoore435@yahoo.com</a> <br>
>>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Rickie. I did not know about book. Who printed it? Who <b=
r>
>>> authored it? What was it on? Roger<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:56 PM, rick coleman <a href=3D"mailto:r9=
9cc@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">r99cc@yahoo.com</a> <br>
>>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Roger, great idea, I'll try to make it ! I wonder if we=
combined <br>
>>> the cfts with update on evasions we'd have more attendance=
? I've <br>
>>> just finished stalling out at the summer FUN show were I sold =
out <br>
>>> the 150 copies of newly printed book COUNTERFEIT GEORGIAN COPP=
ER <br>
>>> COINS so hopefully we'd get more than 25 attending Regard=
s Rick<br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 11:43 PM BST rick coleman <a href=3D"mail=
to:r99cc@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">r99cc@yahoo.com</a> <br>
>>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ------------------------------<br>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 8:59 PM BST <a href=3D"mailto:rogermoore4=
35@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">rogermoore435@yahoo.com</a> <br>
>>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ray, my guess is the actual participants and additional people=
<br>
>>> would be only 25 or so but I agree we need to get a commitment=
. But <br>
>>> to get a commitment we need to know the time that is open sinc=
e <br>
>>> some will be tied up at the bourse or not be able to attend at=
that <br>
>>> time. Sort of a catch 22. In any case if my suggest goes over=
like <br>
>>> a lead ballon, we need go no further. Roger<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:nj=
raywms@optonline.net" target=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a> <br>
>>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Roger,<br>
>>> Let me try again... It sounds like a good idea. I don't kn=
ow what <br>
>>> time lengths are available for the room. Lets see how many you=
get <br>
>>> to commit to attend. I'm sure we'll be able to figure =
out any <br>
>>> needed A/V. Post also to contemporary cfts too. Jeff Lipsky ha=
s <br>
>>> been working hard on educational events and already has a sche=
dule <br>
>>> of speakers. So when you have numbers and know what you'd=
like to <br>
>>> accomplish, we can work on how to do it. But don't dawdle.=
<br>
>>> Ray<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 02:40 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:rogermoore=
435@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">rogermoore435@yahoo.com</a> <br>
>>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
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>>>> It sounds like people have an interest in getting together=
at C4 <br>
>>>> for<br>
>>> a cft symposium. First in this process would be to get a time =
that <br>
>>> we could meet. I was thinking three hours would be good, if we=
<br>
>>> could get 5 or 6 volunteers to give a Family update. Longer if=
a <br>
>>> lot of people wanted to speak about a Family. Before going any=
<br>
>>> father in regard to who will speak on what, we need the conven=
tion <br>
>>> organizers to give us time slots for a room that would be open=
for <br>
>>> three hours and could accommodate (20? 30? Less?) people. For =
those <br>
>>> interested what are your feelings about this? If talks are goi=
ng to <br>
>>> be given, some sort of screen and digital projector will be ne=
eded. <br>
>>> Ray, are you involved with this C4 meeting? If not, whom shoul=
d we <br>
>>> contact? Just thought that if we were going to do this we need=
to <br>
>>> get it organized early. We could also put together a booklet o=
f <br>
>>> plates for the Families we discuss for sale by C4 to anyone el=
se <br>
>>> interested. Just a thought. Roger<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>><br>
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>>>> Posted by: <a href=3D"mailto:rogermoore435@yahoo.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">rogermoore435@yahoo.com</a><br>
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>>>> Yahoo Groups Links<br>
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