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Hello Rick.
I am also interested in a copy of your book.
Could you please send an email to me at:
johnwlouis@comcast.net
to discuss further.
Thank you!
jwl
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From: rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com [colonial-coins]=20
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Symposium on Cft half pence
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Hi Jeff, your book has gone off...is the C4 cft room likely? I would for =
sure have a table or appear there if it goes ahead. I've sold 3/4 of the ru=
n of books already so may do a reprint special edition especially for the C=
4...with updates of the two dozen cfts I've bought in June and July...would=
be thrilled to use any images of coins from your collection if poss? Would=
mention you in the credits and post you a couple of the updated book :-) B=
est wishes Rick
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From: "Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coi=
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Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Symposium on Cft half pence
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Of course in that situation it screws the family out of a $30 million-plu=
s windfall (figuring that the prices would drop to a few million apiece for=
this hoard), and the US legal system does tend to protect private property=
rights. I'm sure there will be years of appeals on it!
Looking forward to seeing your book, Rick! Did you get my shipping addre=
ss?
Jeff
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:21 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com [colonial-c=
oins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Yeah, interesting situation, I suppose if they go into the Smithsonian =
it may not affect the value too much of that single 20 dollar! Best wishes =
Rick=20
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 5:04 AM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [co=
lonial-coins] wrote:
>well on that one the others did turn up and were quickly confiscated. =
The
>court battles may not be over on them, but so far they haven't been fo=
und
>legal to own -- they may end up in the Smithsonian instead of melted, =
which
>would still make the other one the only piece legal to own. But it is
>reported that there are others out there as well, which will come up i=
f
>this group is allowed to be sold privately. The American legal system =
will
>grind through it slowly I am sure -- too bad there aren't many judges
>acquainted with numismatics!
>
>On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:27 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> So true Jeff, I remember a British dealer selling a UNIQUE EXAMPLE O=
F A
>> COIN not in a museum...1933 double eagle, for 14 million, then 5 yea=
rs ago
>> another half dozen turned up! Egg on someone's face! Best wishes Ric=
k
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 7:53 PM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com
>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
>>
>> >Rick, that is really the reason that we collect the stuff we do. It=
is not
>> >mainstream and, even if we all made our best efforts, never will be=
....and
>> >that is fine with me. It means that it remains a special subset of =
true
>> >collectors and researchers, and one that is still affordable. Unles=
s one
>> >is really lucky or really rich, the chance of adding a near-unique
>> colonial
>> >are slim at best. But things go in the two and three (very rarely f=
our and
>> >almost never five) figures for extremely rare counterfeits, and tha=
t is
>> >exciting to me as a collector!
>> >
>> >I do always quibble with "unique" -- since things like this were ma=
de to
>> >circulate, not to sell at a premium to collectors or as patterns, e=
tc.
>> then
>> >more than one would have been struck. I suspect that there are very=
few
>> >truly unique counterfeits out there, and when we see one it is usua=
lly a
>> >case that we've only seen that one example and others exist in othe=
r
>> >collections. A fair amount of the new "unique" discoveries has seen
>> >another example (or more) show up within a few years. Given that we=
still
>> >don't know what exists in a lot of UK collections, I definitely pre=
fer to
>> >err on the side of caution and say "extremely rare" or maybe even
>> >"currently unique" for stuff like this!
>> >
>> >Jeff
>> >
>> >On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:09 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So true Jeff, you and I and probably all of us have at this time U=
NIQUE
>> > pieces, if they were mainstream collector coins they'd be 6 or 7
>> figures,
>> > yet some we'd struggle to get a thousand for! Yet a conventional c=
oin
>> with
>> > a million mintage in a plastic lump saying its a unique high grade=
can
>> > fetch six figures? =F0=9F=98=86 Best wishes Rick
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 3:47 AM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.co=
m
>> > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >
>> > >Ray, IF you could only catalogue things that interested you that =
would
>> be
>> > >great. But unfortunately if you work for an auction house you cat=
alogue
>> > >what comes in -- for every collection of NJ coppers or cool
>> counterfeits
>> > >that came in you would probably have 10,000 slabbed Morgan dollar=
s. And
>> > >how many times can you say "rare" without laughing to yourself ab=
out
>> how
>> > >common that crap really is compared to the stuff we all collect? =
I
>> think
>> > >someone like Hodder or Kraljevich really shows their skills when =
they
>> get
>> > a
>> > >collection like Fords, etc. But when it's just humrum stuff you s=
tart
>> > >seeing those short 2-sentence descriptions, and that is just darn=
ed
>> boring
>> > >to do (and to read).
>> > >
>> > >Jeff
>> > >
>> > >On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > >[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Ray, so true, 90% is bread and butter bullion and general
>> collectors
>> > > coins but occasionally my jaw would drop at a collection! I valu=
ed a
>> > > collection in Dublin ten years ago of choice UNC guineas, every =
year
>> > made
>> > > from 1662, in the Bank of Ireland, the vendor was over 90 but wo=
uldn't
>> > > sell, was Still upgrading!' I'd love to hear what came of it!! B=
est
>> > wishes
>> > > Rick
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 2:29 AM BST Ray Williams njraywms@optonline=
.net
>> > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >I recognize two of the auction house names - haven't heard of
>> Phillips.
>> > > >That's some nice info to have on a resume. I would think that
>> > > >cataloging could be fun, but I've heard some catalogers talk ab=
out it
>> > > >being drudgery. I guess like any job - you like it or you don't=
.
>> > > >Thanks for getting back
>> > > >Ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:46 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > >[colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Ray, only Phillips, Glendinings and Sovereign Auctions, all
>> London
>> > > > based
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 7:32 PM BST Ray Williams
>> njraywms@optonline.net
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Cool,
>> > > > Have you done any auction catalogs that might be in my library=
?
>> > > > Ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:29 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Ray, I've been logging Ebay and UK dealers sales plus what =
I've
>> > > > had to pay for cfts and evasions over the decade, I've paid ov=
er
>> > > > =C2=A31000 on a few lustrous or rare ones. Prices are in VG, F=
, VF and EF
>> > > > with a guide to judging grades as the coins were often deliber=
ately
>> > > > aged, priced in USD. I have over 600 cfts myself so they prove=
d
>> > > > useful in compiling the book, I'm an auction cataloguer myself=
so
>> > > > editing etc was no problem. The first 50 pages are the History=
of
>> > > > Counterfeiting and a guide to spotting differences. I'll post =
a
>> > > > contents page soon as I get home next week buddy! Best wishes =
Rick
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 1:00 PM BST Ray Williams
>> njraywms@optonline.net
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Rick,
>> > > > This sounds like just what the hobby needs! I've wanted the
>> > > > ctft chat groups to do this for over a decade. Who did you use=
to
>> > > > do the editing? What did you use for the price guide? Auctions=
?
>> > > > Ebay? Could you post the table of contents?
>> > > > Ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 07:51 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Roger, I've written it over the past decade, about quarter =
from
>> > > > my collection, others from friends etc, dates from 1700 to 182=
2
>> > > > with all major varieties I came across. Over 1000 images of cf=
ts
>> > > > and evasions. Galata Publishers and Clem kindly gave me the us=
e of
>> > > > their images. Token Publishers in Honiton, Devon published it =
last
>> > > > week and are selling well. Retail 50USD but Forum members its =
40USD
>> > > > plus post. Its really to encourage new collectors plus set a p=
rice
>> > > > guide for existing coins. Let me know if you'd like a copy! Be=
d
>> > > > wishes Rick
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 3:22 AM BST rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Rickie. I did not know about book. Who printed it? Who
>> > > > authored it? What was it on? Roger
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >
>> > > > On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:56 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Roger, great idea, I'll try to make it ! I wonder if we com=
bined
>> > > > the cfts with update on evasions we'd have more attendance? I'=
ve
>> > > > just finished stalling out at the summer FUN show were I sold =
out
>> > > > the 150 copies of newly printed book COUNTERFEIT GEORGIAN COPP=
ER
>> > > > COINS so hopefully we'd get more than 25 attending Regards Ric=
k
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 11:43 PM BST rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 8:59 PM BST rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Ray, my guess is the actual participants and additional people
>> > > > would be only 25 or so but I agree we need to get a commitment=
. But
>> > > > to get a commitment we need to know the time that is open sinc=
e
>> > > > some will be tied up at the bourse or not be able to attend at=
that
>> > > > time. Sort of a catch 22. In any case if my suggest goes over =
like
>> > > > a lead ballon, we need go no further. Roger
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >
>> > > > On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.n=
et
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Roger,
>> > > > Let me try again... It sounds like a good idea. I don't know w=
hat
>> > > > time lengths are available for the room. Lets see how many you=
get
>> > > > to commit to attend. I'm sure we'll be able to figure out any
>> > > > needed A/V. Post also to contemporary cfts too. Jeff Lipsky ha=
s
>> > > > been working hard on educational events and already has a sche=
dule
>> > > > of speakers. So when you have numbers and know what you'd like=
to
>> > > > accomplish, we can work on how to do it. But don't dawdle.
>> > > > Ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 02:40 PM, rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > It sounds like people have an interest in getting together at =
C4
>> > > > for
>> > > > a cft symposium. First in this process would be to get a time =
that
>> > > > we could meet. I was thinking three hours would be good, if we
>> > > > could get 5 or 6 volunteers to give a Family update. Longer if=
a
>> > > > lot of people wanted to speak about a Family. Before going any
>> > > > father in regard to who will speak on what, we need the conven=
tion
>> > > > organizers to give us time slots for a room that would be open=
for
>> > > > three hours and could accommodate (20? 30? Less?) people. For =
those
>> > > > interested what are your feelings about this? If talks are goi=
ng to
>> > > > be given, some sort of screen and digital projector will be ne=
eded.
>> > > > Ray, are you involved with this C4 meeting? If not, whom shoul=
d we
>> > > > contact? Just thought that if we were going to do this we need=
to
>> > > > get it organized early. We could also put together a booklet o=
f
>> > > > plates for the Families we discuss for sale by C4 to anyone el=
se
>> > > > interested. Just a thought. Roger
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------------
>> > > > Posted by: rogermoore435@yahoo.com
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>> > > > Yahoo Groups Links
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>> > > > ------------------------------------
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>> > > > Yahoo Groups Links
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Hello Rick.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>I am also interested in a copy of your=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Could you please send an email to me=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>to discuss further.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Thank you!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>jwl</FONT></DIV>
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