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Thank you!! Roger
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 27, 2015, at 4:55 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com [colonial-coins=
] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi Roger, of course, it went Saturday morning! Best wishes Rick
>=20
> From: "rogermoore435@yahoo.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coins@yahoogro=
ups.com>
> To: "colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>=20
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Symposium on Cft half pence
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>=20=20
> Hi Rick, I assume mine is also in the mail? Roger
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 27, 2015, at 3:00 PM, 'John Louis' johnwlouis@comcast.net [coloni=
al-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>=20=20
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Hello Rick.
>> I am also interested in a copy of your book.
>> Could you please send an email to me at:
>> johnwlouis@comcast.net
>> to discuss further.
>> Thank you!
>> jwl
>>=20=20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com [colonial-coins]
>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Symposium on Cft half pence
>>=20
>>=20=20
>> Hi Jeff, your book has gone off...is the C4 cft room likely? I would for=
sure have a table or appear there if it goes ahead. I've sold 3/4 of the r=
un of books already so may do a reprint special edition especially for the =
C4...with updates of the two dozen cfts I've bought in June and July...woul=
d be thrilled to use any images of coins from your collection if poss? Woul=
d mention you in the credits and post you a couple of the updated book :-) =
Best wishes Rick
>>=20
>> From: "Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial-co=
ins@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20=20=20=20
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Symposium on Cft half pence
>>=20
>>=20=20
>> Of course in that situation it screws the family out of a $30 million-pl=
us windfall (figuring that the prices would drop to a few million apiece fo=
r this hoard), and the US legal system does tend to protect private propert=
y rights. I'm sure there will be years of appeals on it!
>>=20
>> Looking forward to seeing your book, Rick! Did you get my shipping addr=
ess?
>>=20
>> Jeff
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:21 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com [colonial-=
coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>=20=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Yeah, interesting situation, I suppose if they go into the Smithsonian i=
t may not affect the value too much of that single 20 dollar! Best wishes R=
ick=20
>>=20
>> ------------------------------
>>=20
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 5:04 AM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [col=
onial-coins] wrote:
>>=20
>> >well on that one the others did turn up and were quickly confiscated. T=
he
>> >court battles may not be over on them, but so far they haven't been fou=
nd
>> >legal to own -- they may end up in the Smithsonian instead of melted, w=
hich
>> >would still make the other one the only piece legal to own. But it is
>> >reported that there are others out there as well, which will come up if
>> >this group is allowed to be sold privately. The American legal system w=
ill
>> >grind through it slowly I am sure -- too bad there aren't many judges
>> >acquainted with numismatics!
>> >
>> >On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:27 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So true Jeff, I remember a British dealer selling a UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF=
A
>> >> COIN not in a museum...1933 double eagle, for 14 million, then 5 year=
s ago
>> >> another half dozen turned up! Egg on someone's face! Best wishes Rick
>> >>
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 7:53 PM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com
>> >> [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Rick, that is really the reason that we collect the stuff we do. It =
is not
>> >> >mainstream and, even if we all made our best efforts, never will be.=
...and
>> >> >that is fine with me. It means that it remains a special subset of =
true
>> >> >collectors and researchers, and one that is still affordable. Unless=
one
>> >> >is really lucky or really rich, the chance of adding a near-unique
>> >> colonial
>> >> >are slim at best. But things go in the two and three (very rarely fo=
ur and
>> >> >almost never five) figures for extremely rare counterfeits, and that=
is
>> >> >exciting to me as a collector!
>> >> >
>> >> >I do always quibble with "unique" -- since things like this were mad=
e to
>> >> >circulate, not to sell at a premium to collectors or as patterns, et=
c.
>> >> then
>> >> >more than one would have been struck. I suspect that there are very =
few
>> >> >truly unique counterfeits out there, and when we see one it is usual=
ly a
>> >> >case that we've only seen that one example and others exist in other
>> >> >collections. A fair amount of the new "unique" discoveries has seen
>> >> >another example (or more) show up within a few years. Given that we =
still
>> >> >don't know what exists in a lot of UK collections, I definitely pref=
er to
>> >> >err on the side of caution and say "extremely rare" or maybe even
>> >> >"currently unique" for stuff like this!
>> >> >
>> >> >Jeff
>> >> >
>> >> >On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:09 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >> >[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > So true Jeff, you and I and probably all of us have at this time UN=
IQUE
>> >> > pieces, if they were mainstream collector coins they'd be 6 or 7
>> >> figures,
>> >> > yet some we'd struggle to get a thousand for! Yet a conventional co=
in
>> >> with
>> >> > a million mintage in a plastic lump saying its a unique high grade =
can
>> >> > fetch six figures? =F0=9F=98=86 Best wishes Rick
>> >> >
>> >> > ------------------------------
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 3:47 AM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com
>> >> > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >Ray, IF you could only catalogue things that interested you that w=
ould
>> >> be
>> >> > >great. But unfortunately if you work for an auction house you cata=
logue
>> >> > >what comes in -- for every collection of NJ coppers or cool
>> >> counterfeits
>> >> > >that came in you would probably have 10,000 slabbed Morgan dollars=
. And
>> >> > >how many times can you say "rare" without laughing to yourself abo=
ut
>> >> how
>> >> > >common that crap really is compared to the stuff we all collect? I
>> >> think
>> >> > >someone like Hodder or Kraljevich really shows their skills when t=
hey
>> >> get
>> >> > a
>> >> > >collection like Fords, etc. But when it's just humrum stuff you st=
art
>> >> > >seeing those short 2-sentence descriptions, and that is just darne=
d
>> >> boring
>> >> > >to do (and to read).
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Jeff
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >> > >[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi Ray, so true, 90% is bread and butter bullion and general
>> >> collectors
>> >> > > coins but occasionally my jaw would drop at a collection! I value=
d a
>> >> > > collection in Dublin ten years ago of choice UNC guineas, every y=
ear
>> >> > made
>> >> > > from 1662, in the Bank of Ireland, the vendor was over 90 but wou=
ldn't
>> >> > > sell, was Still upgrading!' I'd love to hear what came of it!! Be=
st
>> >> > wishes
>> >> > > Rick
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ------------------------------
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 2:29 AM BST Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.=
net
>> >> > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >I recognize two of the auction house names - haven't heard of
>> >> Phillips.
>> >> > > >That's some nice info to have on a resume. I would think that
>> >> > > >cataloging could be fun, but I've heard some catalogers talk abo=
ut it
>> >> > > >being drudgery. I guess like any job - you like it or you don't.
>> >> > > >Thanks for getting back
>> >> > > >Ray
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:46 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >> > > >[colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi Ray, only Phillips, Glendinings and Sovereign Auctions, all
>> >> London
>> >> > > > based
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ------------------------------
>> >> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 7:32 PM BST Ray Williams
>> >> njraywms@optonline.net
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Cool,
>> >> > > > Have you done any auction catalogs that might be in my library?
>> >> > > > Ray
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:29 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi Ray, I've been logging Ebay and UK dealers sales plus what I=
've
>> >> > > > had to pay for cfts and evasions over the decade, I've paid ove=
r
>> >> > > > =C2=A31000 on a few lustrous or rare ones. Prices are in VG, F,=
VF and EF
>> >> > > > with a guide to judging grades as the coins were often delibera=
tely
>> >> > > > aged, priced in USD. I have over 600 cfts myself so they proved
>> >> > > > useful in compiling the book, I'm an auction cataloguer myself =
so
>> >> > > > editing etc was no problem. The first 50 pages are the History =
of
>> >> > > > Counterfeiting and a guide to spotting differences. I'll post a
>> >> > > > contents page soon as I get home next week buddy! Best wishes R=
ick
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ------------------------------
>> >> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 1:00 PM BST Ray Williams
>> >> njraywms@optonline.net
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Rick,
>> >> > > > This sounds like just what the hobby needs! I've wanted the
>> >> > > > ctft chat groups to do this for over a decade. Who did you use =
to
>> >> > > > do the editing? What did you use for the price guide? Auctions?
>> >> > > > Ebay? Could you post the table of contents?
>> >> > > > Ray
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 07:51 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi Roger, I've written it over the past decade, about quarter f=
rom
>> >> > > > my collection, others from friends etc, dates from 1700 to 1822
>> >> > > > with all major varieties I came across. Over 1000 images of cft=
s
>> >> > > > and evasions. Galata Publishers and Clem kindly gave me the use=
of
>> >> > > > their images. Token Publishers in Honiton, Devon published it l=
ast
>> >> > > > week and are selling well. Retail 50USD but Forum members its 4=
0USD
>> >> > > > plus post. Its really to encourage new collectors plus set a pr=
ice
>> >> > > > guide for existing coins. Let me know if you'd like a copy! Bed
>> >> > > > wishes Rick
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ------------------------------
>> >> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 3:22 AM BST rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi Rickie. I did not know about book. Who printed it? Who
>> >> > > > authored it? What was it on? Roger
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:56 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi Roger, great idea, I'll try to make it ! I wonder if we comb=
ined
>> >> > > > the cfts with update on evasions we'd have more attendance? I'v=
e
>> >> > > > just finished stalling out at the summer FUN show were I sold o=
ut
>> >> > > > the 150 copies of newly printed book COUNTERFEIT GEORGIAN COPPE=
R
>> >> > > > COINS so hopefully we'd get more than 25 attending Regards Rick
>> >> > > > ------------------------------
>> >> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 11:43 PM BST rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ------------------------------
>> >> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 8:59 PM BST rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Ray, my guess is the actual participants and additional people
>> >> > > > would be only 25 or so but I agree we need to get a commitment.=
But
>> >> > > > to get a commitment we need to know the time that is open since
>> >> > > > some will be tied up at the bourse or not be able to attend at =
that
>> >> > > > time. Sort of a catch 22. In any case if my suggest goes over l=
ike
>> >> > > > a lead ballon, we need go no further. Roger
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.ne=
t
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi Roger,
>> >> > > > Let me try again... It sounds like a good idea. I don't know wh=
at
>> >> > > > time lengths are available for the room. Lets see how many you =
get
>> >> > > > to commit to attend. I'm sure we'll be able to figure out any
>> >> > > > needed A/V. Post also to contemporary cfts too. Jeff Lipsky has
>> >> > > > been working hard on educational events and already has a sched=
ule
>> >> > > > of speakers. So when you have numbers and know what you'd like =
to
>> >> > > > accomplish, we can work on how to do it. But don't dawdle.
>> >> > > > Ray
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 02:40 PM, rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> >> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > It sounds like people have an interest in getting together at C=
4
>> >> > > > for
>> >> > > > a cft symposium. First in this process would be to get a time t=
hat
>> >> > > > we could meet. I was thinking three hours would be good, if we
>> >> > > > could get 5 or 6 volunteers to give a Family update. Longer if =
a
>> >> > > > lot of people wanted to speak about a Family. Before going any
>> >> > > > father in regard to who will speak on what, we need the convent=
ion
>> >> > > > organizers to give us time slots for a room that would be open =
for
>> >> > > > three hours and could accommodate (20? 30? Less?) people. For t=
hose
>> >> > > > interested what are your feelings about this? If talks are goin=
g to
>> >> > > > be given, some sort of screen and digital projector will be nee=
ded.
>> >> > > > Ray, are you involved with this C4 meeting? If not, whom should=
we
>> >> > > > contact? Just thought that if we were going to do this we need =
to
>> >> > > > get it organized early. We could also put together a booklet of
>> >> > > > plates for the Families we discuss for sale by C4 to anyone els=
e
>> >> > > > interested. Just a thought. Roger
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> > > >
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