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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Symposium on Cft half pence
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Hi Jeff,=C2=A0 I have=C2=A0only had a response from Rickie in regard to giv=
ing a Simian or AG update.=C2=A0 I have no feedback in regard to a time or =
place.=C2=A0 I wonder if we shouldn't be more Brit like in planning ahead!!=
=C2=A0=C2=A0Also there may be a wrench in this for me since there may be a =
marriage coming (long in coming) that will interfere but the date is not se=
ttled yet.=C2=A0=C2=A0 If I can go I would ber glad to give an update on on=
e of the Families I have studied.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Roger
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From: "Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial=
-coins@yahoogroups.com>
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Symposium on Cft half pence
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=C2=A0 Hey Rick!=C2=A0 I think the discussions of something at C4 are pre=
tty preliminary at this point.=C2=A0 We need someone to do some of the work=
to get it started -- we volunteered Roger, since he is good at stuff like =
that!=C2=A0 But I suspect it won't be for at least a month before anything =
starts getting done.=C2=A0 We don't have the patience that you Brits do to =
start planning things out a year in advance like the Congress!=C2=A0 If it =
DOES happen, it will be in either one of the rooms at the convention center=
OR in someone's hotel -- there won't be an area to set up things for sale =
there, but if you are set up at the Baltimore show already then you will ha=
ve a table and I'm sure would be able to sell some material!=C2=A0 We still=
need to see who will be able to make it out this year, and if enough peopl=
e can't, then it maybe gets pushed to next year.
Roger, have you had any feedback?
Jeff
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com [colonial-co=
ins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 Hi Jeff, your book has gone off...is the C4 cft room likely? I wo=
uld for sure have a table or appear there if it goes ahead. I've sold 3/4 o=
f the run of books already so may do a reprint special edition especially f=
or the C4...with updates of the two dozen cfts I've bought in June and July=
...would be thrilled to use any images of coins from your collection if pos=
s? Would mention you in the credits and post you a couple of the updated bo=
ok :-) Best wishes Rick
From: "Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial=
-coins@yahoogroups.com>
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Symposium on Cft half pence
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=C2=A0 Of course in that situation it screws the family out of a $30 mill=
ion-plus windfall (figuring that the prices would drop to a few million api=
ece for this hoard), and the US legal system does tend to protect private p=
roperty rights.=C2=A0 I'm sure there will be years of appeals on it!
Looking forward to seeing your book, Rick!=C2=A0 Did you get my shipping ad=
dress?
Jeff
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 6:21 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com [colonial-coi=
ns] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Yeah, interesting situation, I suppose if they go into the Smithsonian it m=
ay not affect the value too much of that single 20 dollar! Best wishes Rick=
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 5:04 AM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [coloni=
al-coins] wrote:
>well on that one the others did turn up and were quickly confiscated. The
>court battles may not be over on them, but so far they haven't been found
>legal to own -- they may end up in the Smithsonian instead of melted, whic=
h
>would still make the other one the only piece legal to own. But it is
>reported that there are others out there as well, which will come up if
>this group is allowed to be sold privately. The American legal system will
>grind through it slowly I am sure -- too bad there aren't many judges
>acquainted with numismatics!
>
>On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 3:27 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> So true Jeff, I remember a British dealer selling a UNIQUE EXAMPLE OF A
>> COIN not in a museum...1933 double eagle, for 14 million, then 5 years a=
go
>> another half dozen turned up! Egg on someone's face! Best wishes Rick
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 7:53 PM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com
>> [colonial-coins] wrote:
>>
>> >Rick, that is really the reason that we collect the stuff we do. It is =
not
>> >mainstream and, even if we all made our best efforts, never will be....=
and
>> >that is fine with me. It means that it remains a special subset of true
>> >collectors and researchers, and one that is still affordable. Unless on=
e
>> >is really lucky or really rich, the chance of adding a near-unique
>> colonial
>> >are slim at best. But things go in the two and three (very rarely four =
and
>> >almost never five) figures for extremely rare counterfeits, and that is
>> >exciting to me as a collector!
>> >
>> >I do always quibble with "unique" -- since things like this were made t=
o
>> >circulate, not to sell at a premium to collectors or as patterns, etc.
>> then
>> >more than one would have been struck. I suspect that there are very few
>> >truly unique counterfeits out there, and when we see one it is usually =
a
>> >case that we've only seen that one example and others exist in other
>> >collections. A fair amount of the new "unique" discoveries has seen
>> >another example (or more) show up within a few years. Given that we sti=
ll
>> >don't know what exists in a lot of UK collections, I definitely prefer =
to
>> >err on the side of caution and say "extremely rare" or maybe even
>> >"currently unique" for stuff like this!
>> >
>> >Jeff
>> >
>> >On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 2:09 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> >[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So true Jeff, you and I and probably all of us have at this time UNIQU=
E
>> > pieces, if they were mainstream collector coins they'd be 6 or 7
>> figures,
>> > yet some we'd struggle to get a thousand for! Yet a conventional coin
>> with
>> > a million mintage in a plastic lump saying its a unique high grade can
>> > fetch six figures? =F0=9F=98=86 Best wishes Rick
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 3:47 AM BST Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com
>> > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> >
>> > >Ray, IF you could only catalogue things that interested you that woul=
d
>> be
>> > >great. But unfortunately if you work for an auction house you catalog=
ue
>> > >what comes in -- for every collection of NJ coppers or cool
>> counterfeits
>> > >that came in you would probably have 10,000 slabbed Morgan dollars. A=
nd
>> > >how many times can you say "rare" without laughing to yourself about
>> how
>> > >common that crap really is compared to the stuff we all collect? I
>> think
>> > >someone like Hodder or Kraljevich really shows their skills when they
>> get
>> > a
>> > >collection like Fords, etc. But when it's just humrum stuff you start
>> > >seeing those short 2-sentence descriptions, and that is just darned
>> boring
>> > >to do (and to read).
>> > >
>> > >Jeff
>> > >
>> > >On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:06 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > >[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi Ray, so true, 90% is bread and butter bullion and general
>> collectors
>> > > coins but occasionally my jaw would drop at a collection! I valued a
>> > > collection in Dublin ten years ago of choice UNC guineas, every year
>> > made
>> > > from 1662, in the Bank of Ireland, the vendor was over 90 but wouldn=
't
>> > > sell, was Still upgrading!' I'd love to hear what came of it!! Best
>> > wishes
>> > > Rick
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 2:29 AM BST Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
>> > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >I recognize two of the auction house names - haven't heard of
>> Phillips.
>> > > >That's some nice info to have on a resume. I would think that
>> > > >cataloging could be fun, but I've heard some catalogers talk about =
it
>> > > >being drudgery. I guess like any job - you like it or you don't.
>> > > >Thanks for getting back
>> > > >Ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 05:46 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > >[colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Ray, only Phillips, Glendinings and Sovereign Auctions, all
>> London
>> > > > based
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 7:32 PM BST Ray Williams
>> njraywms@optonline.net
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Cool,
>> > > > Have you done any auction catalogs that might be in my library?
>> > > > Ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:29 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Ray, I've been logging Ebay and UK dealers sales plus what I've
>> > > > had to pay for cfts and evasions over the decade, I've paid over
>> > > > =C2=A31000 on a few lustrous or rare ones. Prices are in VG, F, VF=
and EF
>> > > > with a guide to judging grades as the coins were often deliberatel=
y
>> > > > aged, priced in USD. I have over 600 cfts myself so they proved
>> > > > useful in compiling the book, I'm an auction cataloguer myself so
>> > > > editing etc was no problem. The first 50 pages are the History of
>> > > > Counterfeiting and a guide to spotting differences. I'll post a
>> > > > contents page soon as I get home next week buddy! Best wishes Rick
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 1:00 PM BST Ray Williams
>> njraywms@optonline.net
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Rick,
>> > > > This sounds like just what the hobby needs! I've wanted the
>> > > > ctft chat groups to do this for over a decade. Who did you use to
>> > > > do the editing? What did you use for the price guide? Auctions?
>> > > > Ebay? Could you post the table of contents?
>> > > > Ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 07:51 AM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Roger, I've written it over the past decade, about quarter from
>> > > > my collection, others from friends etc, dates from 1700 to 1822
>> > > > with all major varieties I came across. Over 1000 images of cfts
>> > > > and evasions. Galata Publishers and Clem kindly gave me the use of
>> > > > their images. Token Publishers in Honiton, Devon published it last
>> > > > week and are selling well. Retail 50USD but Forum members its 40US=
D
>> > > > plus post. Its really to encourage new collectors plus set a price
>> > > > guide for existing coins. Let me know if you'd like a copy! Bed
>> > > > wishes Rick
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 3:22 AM BST rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Rickie. I did not know about book. Who printed it? Who
>> > > > authored it? What was it on? Roger
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >
>> > > > On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:56 PM, rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Roger, great idea, I'll try to make it ! I wonder if we combine=
d
>> > > > the cfts with update on evasions we'd have more attendance? I've
>> > > > just finished stalling out at the summer FUN show were I sold out
>> > > > the 150 copies of newly printed book COUNTERFEIT GEORGIAN COPPER
>> > > > COINS so hopefully we'd get more than 25 attending Regards Rick
>> > > > ------------------------------
>> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 11:43 PM BST rick coleman r99cc@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
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>> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 8:59 PM BST rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Ray, my guess is the actual participants and additional people
>> > > > would be only 25 or so but I agree we need to get a commitment. Bu=
t
>> > > > to get a commitment we need to know the time that is open since
>> > > > some will be tied up at the bourse or not be able to attend at tha=
t
>> > > > time. Sort of a catch 22. In any case if my suggest goes over like
>> > > > a lead ballon, we need go no further. Roger
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >
>> > > > On Jul 11, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Roger,
>> > > > Let me try again... It sounds like a good idea. I don't know what
>> > > > time lengths are available for the room. Lets see how many you get
>> > > > to commit to attend. I'm sure we'll be able to figure out any
>> > > > needed A/V. Post also to contemporary cfts too. Jeff Lipsky has
>> > > > been working hard on educational events and already has a schedule
>> > > > of speakers. So when you have numbers and know what you'd like to
>> > > > accomplish, we can work on how to do it. But don't dawdle.
>> > > > Ray
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 02:40 PM, rogermoore435@yahoo.com
>> > > > [colonial-coins] wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > It sounds like people have an interest in getting together at C4
>> > > > for
>> > > > a cft symposium. First in this process would be to get a time that
>> > > > we could meet. I was thinking three hours would be good, if we
>> > > > could get 5 or 6 volunteers to give a Family update. Longer if a
>> > > > lot of people wanted to speak about a Family. Before going any
>> > > > father in regard to who will speak on what, we need the convention
>> > > > organizers to give us time slots for a room that would be open for
>> > > > three hours and could accommodate (20? 30? Less?) people. For thos=
e
>> > > > interested what are your feelings about this? If talks are going t=
o
>> > > > be given, some sort of screen and digital projector will be needed=
.
>> > > > Ray, are you involved with this C4 meeting? If not, whom should we
>> > > > contact? Just thought that if we were going to do this we need to
>> > > > get it organized early. We could also put together a booklet of
>> > > > plates for the Families we discuss for sale by C4 to anyone else
>> > > > interested. Just a thought. Roger
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from my iPhone
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