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Interesting... I'm a sucker for undertypes of any kind! Would you care to s=
hare a few images Will?=C2=A0 Here are a couple... (3-B)=C2=A0Rickie =C2=A0=
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=C2=A0 From: "Will Nipper books@bowmanstonepress.com [colonial-coins]"=
<colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] for CT Copper Collectors
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=C2=A0 Phil,
It does definitely "feel" like something is going on, with 2-A, 4-C and 5-E=
showing up as undertypes, while 2-B (83) and 3-B don't. In the "Money" not=
e, you mention that 4-D is the rarest Nova.=C2=A0 I believe that 2-A and 4-=
C are the rarest of the non-1786 varieties.=C2=A0 I also think that 1-B (85=
) may be scarcer than 4-D.=C2=A0 I have two sets of the 83/85 varieties (no=
86), and a few extras. 2-A and 4-C were definitely the hardest to find. I =
also have an 88 CT 12.2-C struck over 5-E Nova that probably wasn't in the =
census.
Will
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
"PLMossman@aol.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote=
:
=C2=A0 Hi Ray:I would expect it.=C2=A0 Note in From Crime to Punishment, p=
p. 141-44, note 192,=C2=A0and in Money 194-95, note 116, I found that the r=
arest intact Novas were the most common host coins.=C2=A0 There were not en=
ough found to be statistically significant, but there appears to be a trend=
. The same material is in both books.BestPhil=C2=A0In a message dated 8/10/=
2015 12:50:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com wr=
ites:
=C2=A0 Hi Phil, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The owner says it is a 1788 M4.1-=
K o/s on a 1785 4-D Nova.=C2=A0 Not being a specialist on either series, I =
took the owner's word for it. Ray =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Mon, Aug 10, 2015=
at 12:15 PM, PLMossman@aol.com [colonial-coins] wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0=20
Hello All: May I ask, what is the current 1788 CT variety=C2=A0over a NOVA=
host coin?=C2=A0 There are eight 1788 CT varieties=C2=A0occasionally to al=
ways found on NOVA hosts. =C2=A0 I've been maintaining a census of all over=
struck state coppers [see CNL pp. 2977-82]=C2=A0 For the 1788 CTs, I've bee=
n searching for another 1788 11-G o/s on a NOVA.=C2=A0 I have one but somet=
ime in the past [10=C2=B1 years] another was said to have been shown at a N=
ovember Boston C4 meeting.=C2=A0 I've not been able to verify it and no one=
else I've consulted remembers it.=C2=A0 Is this possibly one?=C2=A0 Best =
Phil Mossman =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20
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span></span></div><div id=3D"yiv6345742570yui_3_16_0_1_1439172897069_111411=
" dir=3D"ltr">Interesting... I'm a sucker for undertypes of any kind! Would=
you care to share a few images Will? Here are a couple... (3-B)</div=
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ltr">Rickie <br clear=3D"none"> </div><div id=3D"yi=
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2897069_117525" style=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "Will Nipper =
books@bowmanstonepress.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups=
.com><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span=
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yle=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 10, 2015 5:24 PM=
<br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1439172897069_117530"><span id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1439172897069_117529" style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</=
span></b> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] for CT Copper Collectors<br clear=3D"n=
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><div id=3D"yiv6345742570yui_3_16_0_1_1439172897069_111422">Phil,</div><div=
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/div><div id=3D"yiv6345742570yui_3_16_0_1_1439172897069_111458">It does def=
initely "feel" like something is going on, with 2-A, 4-C and 5-E showing up=
as undertypes, while 2-B (83) and 3-B don't. In the "Money" note, you ment=
ion that 4-D is the rarest Nova. I believe that 2-A and 4-C are the r=
arest of the non-1786 varieties. I also think that 1-B (85) may be sc=
arcer than 4-D. I have two sets of the 83/85 varieties (no 86), and a=
few extras. 2-A and 4-C were definitely the hardest to find. I also have a=
n 88 CT 12.2-C struck over 5-E Nova that probably wasn't in the census.</di=
v><div id=3D"yiv6345742570yui_3_16_0_1_1439172897069_111459"><br clear=3D"n=
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<div>I would expect it. Note in <em>From Crime to Punishment</em>, pp=
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141-44, note 192, and in <em>Money</em> 194-95, note 116, I found that=
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rarest intact Novas were the most common host coins. There were not e=
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found to be statistically significant, but there appears to be a trend. The=
same=20
material is in both books.</div>
<div>Best</div>
<div>Phil</div>
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colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com writes:</div>
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4-D Nova. Not being a specialist on either series, I took the owner=
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[colonial-coins] wrote:=20
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<div>Hello All:</div>
<div>May I ask, what is the current 1788 CT variety over a NOVA ho=
st=20
coin? There are eight 1788 CT varieties occasionally to alwa=
ys=20
found on NOVA hosts.</div>
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<div>I've been maintaining a census of all overstruck state coppers [se=
e CNL=20
pp. 2977-82] For the 1788 CTs, I've been searching for another 17=
88=20
11-G o/s on a NOVA. I have one but sometime in the past [10=C2=B1=
years]=20
another was said to have been shown at a November Boston C4 meeting.&nb=
sp;=20
I've not been able to verify it and no one else I've consulted remember=
s=20
it. Is this possibly one? </div>
<div>Best</div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1439172897069_117453">Phil Mossman</div>
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