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    I wish my library wasn't packed away.=C2=A0 It would be so nice to pull out=
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    both of Phil's books, and others, to look things up.
    Ray

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    Ray,


    I think that's what Phil was suggesting. I was really just agreeing.


    Will


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    Good thoughts & observations Will,
    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Maybe it is possible that Machin's Mill obtained t=
    he Novas in keg=20
    quantities.=C2=A0 If that were the case, then it would be reasonable to=20
    assume that a keg might contain many of the same variety...=C2=A0 explainin=
    g=20
    why you observe the 2-A, 4-C and 5-E showing up often as undertypes.=C2=A0 =
    If=20
    2-A and 4-C are the rarest Novas you've observed, then possibly them=20
    disappearing as undertypes is the reason for their scarcity.=C2=A0 Just=20
    thinking out loud here.
    Ray

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    On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 05:24 PM, Will Nipper books@bowmanstonepress.com=20
    [colonial-coins] wrote:
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    Phil,


    It does definitely "feel" like something is going on, with 2-A, 4-C and=20
    5-E showing up as undertypes, while 2-B (83) and 3-B don't. In the=20
    "Money" note, you mention that 4-D is the rarest Nova.=C2=A0 I believe that=
    =20
    2-A and 4-C are the rarest of the non-1786 varieties.=C2=A0 I also think th=
    at=20
    1-B (85) may be scarcer than 4-D.=C2=A0 I have two sets of the 83/85=20
    varieties (no 86), and a few extras. 2-A and 4-C were definitely the=20
    hardest to find. I also have an 88 CT 12.2-C struck over 5-E Nova that=20
    probably wasn't in the census.


    Will


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    Hi Ray:


    I would expect it.=C2=A0 Note in From Crime to Punishment, pp.
    141-44, note 192,=C2=A0and in Money 194-95, note 116, I found that the
    rarest intact Novas were the most common host coins.=C2=A0 There were not=20
    enough
    found to be statistically significant, but there appears to be a trend.=20
    The same
    material is in both books.


    Best


    Phil


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    In a message dated 8/10/2015 12:50:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
    colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com writes:

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    Hi Phil,

    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The owner says it is a 1788 M4.1-K o/s on a 1785
    4-D Nova.=C2=A0 Not being a specialist on either series, I took the=20
    owner's
    word for it.


    Ray




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    On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 12:15 PM, PLMossman@aol.com
    [colonial-coins] wrote:

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    Hello All:


    May I ask, what is the current 1788 CT variety=C2=A0over a NOVA host
    coin?=C2=A0 There are eight 1788 CT varieties=C2=A0occasionally to alw=
    ays
    found on NOVA hosts.


    =C2=A0


    I've been maintaining a census of all overstruck state coppers [see CNL
    pp. 2977-82]=C2=A0 For the 1788 CTs, I've been searching for another=20
    1788
    11-G o/s on a NOVA.=C2=A0 I have one but sometime in the past [10=C2=
    =B1=20
    years]
    another was said to have been shown at a November Boston C4=20
    meeting.=C2=A0
    I've not been able to verify it and no one else I've consulted=20
    remembers
    it.=C2=A0 Is this possibly one?=C2=A0


    Best


    Phil Mossman


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    In a message dated 8/10/2015 10:16:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
    colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com writes:

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    Yes Gary,

    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 An image of a 1788 CT Copper struck over a
    1785 Nova Constellatio was posted on the EAC facebook site called
    Coppernotes.=C2=A0 It has generated some nice comments.=C2=A0 I thin=
    k that
    the EAC members that specialize in Half Cents and Cents have an
    appreciation for our colonials, even if they don't collect them.


    Ray




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    On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Gary Smith
    Gry1564@aol.com [colonial-coins] wrote:

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    =C2=A0


    Lots
    of 'noise' on the EAC CopperNotes site folks! =C2=A0:-)=C2=A0




    Gary
    Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

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    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    Having a little fun with my CT Copper friends.


    But undertypes are fun.


    Ray




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    On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 09:39 PM, Robert Martin robertmartin22@live.com=20
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    [colonial-coins] wrote:

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    Ray,
    I don't think an R1 NJ overstruck on a R6/R7 Ct
    is an improvement. Although, you are right,=C2=A0that colonial a=
    nd
    state copper overstrikes are fascinating and interesting to=20
    collect.

    Robert
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    From: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
    <mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>

    Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:46:12 -0400
    Subject: [Colonial
    Numismatics] for CT Copper Collectors
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    Hi Guys,
    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A
    suggestion for a collecting direction as your collecting
    direction
    might change...=C2=A0 Consider collecting as many CT Copper

    varieties as you can, that have been improved by NJ Copper
    dies.=C2=A0 In all
    seriousness, I do find undertypes fascinating
    and I like to obtain
    interesting ones.=C2=A0

    =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 It's been quiet here lately.
    Ray


























































































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    I wish my library wasn't packed away.  It would be so nice to pull out=
    both of Phil's books, and others, to look things up.</div><div>Ray</div><d=
    iv style=3D"font-family: Verdana;"><div> </div><div> </div><div>&=
    nbsp;</div>On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 07:41 PM, Will Nipper books@bowmanstonep=
    ress.com [colonial-coins] wrote:<div> </div><div> </div><blockquo=
    te style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color=
    : rgb(136, 136, 136); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;">





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    <div><div>Ray,</div><div><br></div><div>I think that's what Phil was sugges=
    ting. I was really just agreeing.</div><div><br></div><div>Will</div><div><=
    br></div><div><font style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><i>Sent from my Veriz=
    on Wireless 4G LTE DROID</i></font></div></div><br><br>"Ray Williams njrayw=
    ms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> w=
    rote:<br><br>
    <span style=3D"display: none;"> </span>



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    <p>Good thoughts & observations Will,</p><div>   &=
    nbsp; Maybe it is possible that Machin's Mill obtained the Novas in keg qua=
    ntities.  If that were the case, then it would be reasonable to assume=
    that a keg might contain many of the same variety...  explaining why =
    you observe the 2-A, 4-C and 5-E showing up often as undertypes.  If 2=
    -A and 4-C are the rarest Novas you've observed, then possibly them disappe=
    aring as undertypes is the reason for their scarcity.  Just thinking o=
    ut loud here.</div><div>Ray</div><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana;"><div>=
     </div><div> </div><div> </div>On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 05:24=
    PM, Will Nipper books@bowmanstonepress.com [colonial-coins] wrote:<div>&nb=
    sp;</div><div> </div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; b=
    order-left-color: rgb(136, 136, 136); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-s=
    tyle: solid;">





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    <div><div>Phil,</div><div><br></div><div>It does definitely "feel" like som=
    ething is going on, with 2-A, 4-C and 5-E showing up as undertypes, while 2=
    -B (83) and 3-B don't. In the "Money" note, you mention that 4-D is the rar=
    est Nova.  I believe that 2-A and 4-C are the rarest of the non-1786 v=
    arieties.  I also think that 1-B (85) may be scarcer than 4-D.  I=
    have two sets of the 83/85 varieties (no 86), and a few extras. 2-A and 4-=
    C were definitely the hardest to find. I also have an 88 CT 12.2-C struck o=
    ver 5-E Nova that probably wasn't in the census.</div><div><br></div><div>W=
    ill</div><div><br></div><div><font style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><i>Sen=
    t from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID</i></font></div></div><br><br>"PLMo=
    ssman@aol.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrot=
    e:<br><br>
    <span> </span>



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    <font id=3D"role_document" color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Times New Roman" size=
    =3D"3">
    </font></p><div>Hi Ray:</div>
    <div>I would expect it.  Note in <em>From Crime to Punishment</em>, pp=
    .=20
    141-44, note 192, and in <em>Money</em> 194-95, note 116, I found that=
    the=20
    rarest intact Novas were the most common host coins.  There were not e=
    nough=20
    found to be statistically significant, but there appears to be a trend. The=
    same=20
    material is in both books.</div>
    <div>Best</div>
    <div>Phil</div>
    <div> </div>
    <div>
    <div>In a message dated 8/10/2015 12:50:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20
    colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com writes:</div>
    <blockquote style=3D"margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: blue; border-left=
    -width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Ari=
    al" size=3D"2" style=3D"background-color: transparent;"><span> </span>=
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    </font><div id=3D"ygrp-text">
    <p>Hi Phil,=20
    </p><div>     The owner says it is a 1788 M4.1-K o/s =
    on a 1785=20
    4-D Nova.  Not being a specialist on either series, I took the owner=
    's=20
    word for it.</div>
    <div>Ray</div>
    <div style=3D"font-family: Verdana;">
    <div> </div>
    <div> </div>
    <div> </div>On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 12:15 PM, PLMossman@aol.com=20
    [colonial-coins] wrote:=20
    <div> </div>
    <div> </div>
    <blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left-color: rgb(13=
    6, 136, 136); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><br><br><f=
    ont color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D"3"></font>
    <div>Hello All:</div>
    <div>May I ask, what is the current 1788 CT variety over a NOVA ho=
    st=20
    coin?  There are eight 1788 CT varieties occasionally to alwa=
    ys=20
    found on NOVA hosts.</div>
    <div> </div>
    <div>I've been maintaining a census of all overstruck state coppers [se=
    e CNL=20
    pp. 2977-82]  For the 1788 CTs, I've been searching for another 17=
    88=20
    11-G o/s on a NOVA.  I have one but sometime in the past [10=C2=B1=
    years]=20
    another was said to have been shown at a November Boston C4 meeting.&nb=
    sp;=20
    I've not been able to verify it and no one else I've consulted remember=
    s=20
    it.  Is this possibly one?  </div>
    <div>Best</div>
    <div>Phil Mossman</div>
    <div> </div>
    <div>
    <div>In a message dated 8/10/2015 10:16:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=
    =20
    colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com writes:</div>
    <blockquote style=3D"margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: blue; border-=
    left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D=
    "Arial" size=3D"2" style=3D"background-color: transparent;"><span> </s=
    pan> </font>
    <div id=3D"ygrp-text">
    <p>Yes Gary, </p>
    <div>     An image of a 1788 CT Copper struck ove=
    r a=20
    1785 Nova Constellatio was posted on the EAC facebook site called=20
    Coppernotes.  It has generated some nice comments.  I think=
    that=20
    the EAC members that specialize in Half Cents and Cents have an=20
    appreciation for our colonials, even if they don't collect them.</div=
    >
    <div>Ray</div>
    <div style=3D"font-family: Verdana;">
    <div> </div>
    <div> </div>
    <div> </div>On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Gary Smith=20
    Gry1564@aol.com [colonial-coins] wrote:=20
    <div> </div>
    <div> </div>
    <blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left-color: rg=
    b(136, 136, 136); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;"><br><b=
    r>Lots=20
    of 'noise' on the EAC CopperNotes site folks!  :-) =20
    <div><br></div>
    <div>Gary<br><br>Sent from AOL Mobile Mail<br><br><br>-----Original=
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    <p>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
    <div>Having a little fun with my CT Copper friends. </div>
    <div>But undertypes are fun. </div>
    <div>Ray </div>
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    <div> </div>
    <div> </div>On Sun, Aug 09, 2015 at 09:39 PM, Robert Martin <a=
    title=3D"mailto:robertmartin22@live.com" href=3D"mailto:robertmartin22@liv=
    e.com">robertmartin22@live.com</a>=20
    [colonial-coins] wrote:=20
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    <div dir=3D"ltr">Ray, <br>I don't think an R1 NJ overstruck on a =
    R6/R7 Ct=20
    is an improvement. Although, you are right, that colonial an=
    d=20
    state copper overstrikes are fascinating and interesting to colle=
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    <br>Robert <br>  <br>
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    To: <a title=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" href=3D"ma=
    ilto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>=20
    <br>From: <a title=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" href=
    =3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</=
    a>=20
    <br>Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:46:12 -0400 <br>Subject: [Colonial=20
    Numismatics] for CT Copper Collectors <br><br><span> </span>=
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    <div id=3D"aolmail_ecxygrp-text">Hi Guys, <br>   &=
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    ction=20
    might change...  Consider collecting as many CT Copper=20
    <br>varieties as you can, that have been improved by NJ Copper=20
    dies.  In all <br>seriousness, I do find undertypes fascinat=
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    and I like to obtain <br>interesting ones. =20
    <br>     It's been quiet here lately. <br>Ray=
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