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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Asylum sighting in Trenton
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John, it is definitely becoming a lost art -- it will soon be much like
modern English people not being able to read Old English. Yes, it's
progress -- printed letters are much easier to read (albeit slower to
write), but there is such charm and character in cursive. It's very unique
to each individual. Like Ray, mine is pretty sloppy so when I do write
something out by hand it tends to be in printed block letters, not
cursive. But holding an old document really is thrilling. Could you image
what the Declaration of Independence would look like if John Hancock just
printed his name on it? Not nearly the same impact! And heaven forbid it
was done in the digital age where he just put in his PIN number to approve
it!
As for digital photos and documents, the main problem isn't decay as much
as it is errors when copying. I'm sure we've ALL had one file or another
-- or maybe an entire drive! -- that has become corrupted. Pictures that
are nice on the top half and computer gibberish on the bottom, or documents
that revert to some primitive machine code. Errors don't happen often, but
the more times you open, change and save a document, the more chances they
have of occurring. That's one reason experts suggest backing up your files
in three different places, including one that is nowhere near your computer
-- so you would back up stuff to a hard drive, the Cloud and a USB or DVD
or separate automatic backup device or on a different computer not
connected to the internet or whatever. If a file goes bad in one of those
places you have other options to recover it, and it's unlikely that ALL
your backups would be damaged -- unless, of course, the entire internet
comes crashing down at some point, in which case it's all lost anyways.
The other problem is technological advancement. I still have some floppy
discs that have files on them -- but who has any way to actually get those
files anymore? Computers haven't come with the larger sized floppy drives
since the late 1980's and the smaller floppy drives since the 1990's. Soon
they won't be coming with CD/DVD drives either. Luckily I moved
needed files from old computers to new, so I still have documents from back
when I was in college that are perfectly readable and usable today (though
they never get looked at). Still, Ray is correct. We could download every
numismatic book written on colonials and read them on a Kindle or tablet,
but it's just not the same as holding the book in your hands. I downloaded
all the Sherlock Holmes stories to my ipad, thinking I would read them on
my train trips in the UK -- and didn't look at one of them. But I did read
real books, magazines and newspapers. We may be the last generation that
does so!
Jeff
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi John,
> That's very interesting. Ever since college, I print when I write.
> My cursive was not pretty and sometimes I didn't even know what I wrote. =
I
> (we all) took penmanship classes in grade school, but I think as I wrote
> faster over the years, the writing got sloppier. So I just print.
> I don't know much about digital storage, but I've heard what you are
> talking about. I enjoy reading much more holding a book/magazine/journal
> in my hands. reading anything more than a few pages on my computer makes
> my brain hurt. And I can make notes in the margins of a book.
> I have a Quarterman copy of Crosby that I use as a reference and mar=
k
> up the margins. BUT, years ago I was able to obtain an original Crosby i=
n
> a nice binding. When I get in the mood, I'll fire up a pot of coffee and
> take out my 1875 Crosby and enjoy reading it. There's something about
> holding that old binding, the feel of the book, the numismatists that use=
d
> the book before me... it brings me back to the time period of those grea=
t
> numismatists of the 1800s
> We are part of the most fun area ofnumismatics!
> Ray
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 05:48 PM, John Bolger reglob9@sbcglobal.net
> [colonial-coins] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Ray,
> Good thing we have folks like you around that can read =E2=80=9Ca handwri=
tten
> manuscript.=E2=80=9D I heard a couple of University Archivists being int=
erviewed a
> few days ago and when asked for each to describe one of the gems in their
> collections one of the Archivists mentioned a handwritten note from
> Alexander Hamilton. Then she said that it was in small script so her
> students probably would have a difficult time reading it because they can=
=E2=80=99t
> read cursive! I had heard that schools were considering dropping the
> subject of cursive writing from their curricula but didn=E2=80=99t realiz=
e that it
> was such an abrupt loss of the skill.
> Another Archivist also made the point that they were very good at
> preserving paper archives (NO acidic paper!!!) but not so good at
> preserving digital material because of the natural electronic decay that =
we
> have not yet learned to prevent or diminish. Just think, our Colonial
> paper and coins may survive our modern high-tech digital photos.
> Keep producing stuff for us to enjoy reading, Ray. Maybe write out
> your next publication in longhand to keep us in practice.
> John
>
> On Oct 20, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
> [colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
> Yes, I wrote "Asylum", not "E-Sylum". The E-Sylum is the free
> weekly electronic publication that usually gets emailed on Sunday
> nights. The Asylum is the quarterly journal of the NBS (Numismatic
> Bibliomania Society). The membership of NBS consists of those with a
> passion for Numismatic Literature. I find that the membership consists
> of those that do numismatic research, that write numismatic material,
> collect numismatic literature or just enjoy their libraries.
> I enjoy my library and I joined the NBS years ago. Well, for the
> first time, I wrote a short article for the Asylum. It was just two
> pages in length and was on the topic of a handwritten manuscript I
> studied at the ANS Library. The editor David Yoon received my article
> and liked it well enough to publish. I have to tell you guys... it's a
> little more stressful writing for those who aren't (for the most part)
> part of my colonial family. Writing for the C4N, I just share things I
> find fun, or I discover. I figure that if I found it fun, other
> colonial collectors would too. And you guys know me. The Asylum is
> read by academics across the board in the hobby, and I was a little
> nervous about making a submission.
> I received two emails from guys in the hobby that I really respect,
> and they were both very positive about my article. What a great feeling
> it is to open an email like that!
> I'll stop rambling here and just encourage all of you to share the
> fun you have in the hobby with others. Write a few paragraphs, give a
> presentation to a club, share collecting with young people. Editors for
> any publication are always looking for more articles and new authors.
> Have Fun!
> Ray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=20
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>John, it is definitely becoming a lost art -- it will=
soon be much like modern English people not being able to read Old English=
.=C2=A0 Yes, it's progress -- printed letters are much easier to read (=
albeit slower to write), but there is such charm and character in cursive.=
=C2=A0 It's very unique to each individual.=C2=A0 Like Ray, mine is pre=
tty sloppy so when I do write something out by hand it tends to be in print=
ed block letters, not cursive.=C2=A0 But holding an old document really is =
thrilling.=C2=A0 Could you image what the Declaration of Independence would=
look like if John Hancock just printed his name on it?=C2=A0 Not nearly th=
e same impact!=C2=A0 And heaven forbid it was done in the digital age where=
he just put in his PIN number to approve it!</div><div><br></div><div>As f=
or digital photos and documents, the main problem isn't decay as much a=
s it is errors when copying.=C2=A0 I'm sure we've ALL had one file =
or another -- or maybe an entire drive! -- that has become corrupted.=C2=A0=
Pictures that are nice on the top half and computer gibberish on the botto=
m, or documents that revert to some primitive machine code.=C2=A0 Errors do=
n't happen often, but the more times you open, change and save a docume=
nt, the more chances they have of occurring.=C2=A0 That's one reason ex=
perts suggest backing up your files in three different places, including on=
e that is nowhere near your computer -- so you would back up stuff to a har=
d drive, the Cloud and a USB or DVD or separate automatic backup device or =
on a different computer not connected to the internet or whatever.=C2=A0 If=
a file goes bad in one of those places you have other options to recover i=
t, and it's unlikely that ALL your backups would be damaged -- unless, =
of course, the entire internet comes crashing down at some point, in which =
case it's all lost anyways.=C2=A0 The other problem is technological ad=
vancement.=C2=A0 I still have some floppy discs that have files on them -- =
but who has any way to actually get those files anymore?=C2=A0 Computers ha=
ven't come with the larger sized floppy drives since the late 1980'=
s and the smaller floppy drives since the 1990's.=C2=A0 Soon they won&#=
39;t be coming with CD/DVD drives either.=C2=A0 Luckily I moved needed=C2=
=A0files from old computers to new, so I still have documents from back whe=
n I was in college that are perfectly readable and usable today (though the=
y never get looked at).=C2=A0 Still, Ray is correct.=C2=A0 We could downloa=
d every numismatic book written on colonials and read them on a Kindle or t=
ablet, but it's just not the same as holding the book in your hands.=C2=
=A0 I downloaded all the Sherlock Holmes stories to my ipad, thinking I wou=
ld read them on my train trips in the UK -- and didn't look at one of t=
hem.=C2=A0 But I did read real books, magazines and newspapers.=C2=A0 We ma=
y be the last generation that does so!</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct =
20, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net"=
>njraywms@optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins=
@yahoogroups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi John,<div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That's very interesting.=
=C2=A0 Ever since college, I print when I write.=C2=A0 My cursive was not p=
retty and sometimes I didn't even know=C2=A0what I wrote.=C2=A0 I (we a=
ll) took penmanship classes in grade school, but I think as I wrote faster =
over the years, the writing got sloppier.=C2=A0 So I just print.=C2=A0 </di=
v><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I don't know much about digital storage=
, but I've heard what you are talking about.=C2=A0 I enjoy reading much=
more holding a book/magazine/journal in my hands.=C2=A0 reading anything m=
ore than a few pages on my computer makes my brain hurt.=C2=A0 And I can ma=
ke notes in the margins of a book.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I hav=
e a Quarterman copy of Crosby that I use as a reference and mark up the mar=
gins.=C2=A0 BUT, years ago I was able to obtain an original Crosby in a nic=
e binding.=C2=A0 When I=C2=A0get in the mood, I'll fire up a pot of cof=
fee and take out my 1875 Crosby and enjoy reading it.=C2=A0 There's som=
ething about holding that old binding, the feel of the book, the numismatis=
ts that used the book before me...=C2=A0 it brings me back to the time peri=
od of those great numismatists of the 1800s</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 We are part of the most fun area ofnumismatics!</div><div>Ray</div><div=
><div class=3D"h5"><div style=3D"font-family:Verdana"><div>=C2=A0</div><div=
>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div>On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 05:48 PM, John Bolger=
<a href=3D"mailto:reglob9@sbcglobal.net" target=3D"_blank">reglob9@sbcglob=
al.net</a> [colonial-coins] wrote:<div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockq=
uote style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(136,136,136);b=
order-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid">
<br><br>
Ray,<div>Good thing we have folks like you around that can read =E2=80=9Ca =
handwritten manuscript.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0I heard a couple of University Archi=
vists being interviewed a few days ago and when asked for each to describe =
one of the gems in their collections one of the Archivists mentioned a hand=
written note from Alexander Hamilton.=C2=A0 Then she said that it was in sm=
all script so her students probably would have a difficult time reading it =
because they can=E2=80=99t read cursive! I had heard that schools were cons=
idering dropping the subject of cursive writing from their curricula but di=
dn=E2=80=99t realize that it was such an abrupt loss of the skill.</div><di=
v>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Another Archivist also made the point that they were =
very good at preserving paper archives (NO acidic paper!!!) but not so good=
at preserving digital material because of the natural electronic decay tha=
t we have not yet learned to prevent or diminish.=C2=A0 Just think, our Col=
onial paper and coins may survive our modern high-tech digital photos.</div=
><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Keep producing stuff for us to enjoy reading, Ray=
.=C2=A0 Maybe write out your next publication in longhand to keep us in pra=
ctice.</div><div>John =C2=A0<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Oct =
20, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net=
" target=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins] <<a href=
=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins=
@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style=3D"text-transform:=
none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:nor=
mal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><div style=3D"font-family:Georg=
ia"><p style=3D"margin:0px 0px 1em">Hi Guys,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ye=
s, I wrote "Asylum", not "E-Sylum".=C2=A0 The E-Sylum i=
s the free<span>=C2=A0</span><br>weekly electronic=C2=A0publication that us=
ually gets emailed on Sunday<span>=C2=A0</span><br>nights.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The =
Asylum is the quarterly journal of the NBS (Numismatic<span>=C2=A0</span><b=
r>Bibliomania Society).=C2=A0 The membership of NBS consists of those with =
a<span>=C2=A0</span><br>passion for Numismatic Literature.=C2=A0 I find tha=
t the membership consists<span>=C2=A0</span><br>of those that do numismatic=
research, that write numismatic material,<span>=C2=A0</span><br>collect nu=
mismatic literature or just enjoy their libraries.=C2=A0<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 I enjoy my library and I joined the NBS years ago.=C2=A0 Well, fo=
r the<span>=C2=A0</span><br>first time, I wrote a short article for the Asy=
lum.=C2=A0 It was just two<span>=C2=A0</span><br>pages in length and was on=
the topic of a handwritten manuscript I<span>=C2=A0</span><br>studied at t=
he ANS Library.=C2=A0 The editor David Yoon received my article<span>=C2=A0=
</span><br>and liked it well enough to publish.=C2=A0 I have to tell you gu=
ys...=C2=A0 it's a<span>=C2=A0</span><br>little more stressful writing =
for those who aren't (for the most part)<span>=C2=A0</span><br>part of =
my colonial family.=C2=A0 Writing for the C4N, I just share things I<span>=
=C2=A0</span><br>find fun, or I discover.=C2=A0 I figure that if I found it=
fun, other<span>=C2=A0</span><br>colonial collectors would too.=C2=A0 And =
you guys know me.=C2=A0 The Asylum is<span>=C2=A0</span><br>read by academi=
cs across the board in the hobby, and I was a little<span>=C2=A0</span><br>=
nervous about making a submission.=C2=A0<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I rece=
ived two emails from guys in the hobby that I really respect,<span>=C2=A0</=
span><br>and they were both very positive about my article.=C2=A0 What a gr=
eat feeling<span>=C2=A0</span><br>it is to open an email like that!=C2=A0<b=
r>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I'll stop rambling here and just encourage a=
ll of you to share the<span>=C2=A0</span><br>fun you have in the hobby with=
others.=C2=A0 Write a few paragraphs, give a<span>=C2=A0</span><br>present=
ation to a club, share collecting with young people.=C2=A0 Editors for<span=
>=C2=A0</span><br>any publication are always looking for more articles and =
new authors.=C2=A0<br>Have Fun!<br>Ray<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<br><=
/p></div><div style=3D"min-height:0px;color:rgb(255,255,255)"></div></div><=
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