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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question
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Thanks for all this information Alan & Will and everyone.=C2=A0 I received=
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start retrieving it this coming week.=C2=A0 I never heard of that coinage a=
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of 1645.=C2=A0 It sounds like it would make for a good=C2=A0article - fun a=
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historic at the same time.=C2=A0
Thanks again,
Ray
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VA passed a coinage act in 1645, but according to Crosby, was never=20
executed. It would have resulted in copper 2d, 3d, 6d and 9d. It's very=20
specific and even names a mintmaster - Capt John Upton.=C2=A0 No coins from=
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this are known to exist, but I think this is what that reporter from NC=20
thought he had a lead on.
Hume and others (Phil?) have suggested that this may have been the=20
occasion for sending over patent farthings. At least one hoard of them=20
were found. The one I'm thinking about was in a pot plowed up by a=20
farmer near Yorktown, I think. It also contained a Scottish coin, I=20
believe dated 1663.
If any colony should have had a coinage, it was VA. Their economic=20
output was more than the other 12 combined.
Did you get back all of the AV equipment?
I'm bad about leaving small things
behind.
Best,
Will
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Will,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This is perfect.=C2=A0 I just wanted to make sure =
that Virginia had the=20
lawful ability to make their own coins (stated in their charter) even if=20
they didn't take advantage of doing so.=C2=A0 I either read about it or hea=
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about it in someone's presentation.=C2=A0 I just needed a reference for som=
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editing I'm doing.
Thanks
Ray
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[colonial-coins] wrote:
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Also, see Crosby, p. 19. (Attached) =C2=A0Doesn't seem to preclude making=20
them in America and I spoke to a fellow in NC who claimed that he knew=20
of an early local issue, even paid him a little bit for information, but=20
he wasn't able to track down anything solid. =C2=A0The 1773-1774 issues wer=
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> Thanks Alan,
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> Ray
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Thanks for all this information Alan & Will and everyone. I recei=
ved back no A/V equipment from C4 yet as I went directly on vacation. =
I'll start retrieving it this coming week. I never heard of that coi=
nage act of 1645. It sounds like it would make for a good articl=
e - fun and historic at the same time. </div><div>Thanks again,</div><=
div>Ray</div><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana;"><div> </div><div>&nb=
sp;</div>On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Will Nipper books@bowmanstonepre=
ss.com [colonial-coins] wrote:<div> </div><div> </div><blockquote=
style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: =
rgb(136, 136, 136); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid;">
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<div><div>Ray,</div><div><br></div><div>VA passed a coinage act in 1645, bu=
t according to Crosby, was never executed. It would have resulted in copper=
2d, 3d, 6d and 9d. It's very specific and even names a mintmaster - Capt J=
ohn Upton. No coins from this are known to exist, but I think this is=
what that reporter from NC thought he had a lead on.</div><div><br></div><=
div>Hume and others (Phil?) have suggested that this may have been the occa=
sion for sending over patent farthings. At least one hoard of them were fou=
nd. The one I'm thinking about was in a pot plowed up by a farmer near York=
town, I think. It also contained a Scottish coin, I believe dated 1663.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>If any colony should have had a coinage, it was VA. T=
heir economic output was more than the other 12 combined.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Did you get back all of the AV equipment?</div><div>I'm bad about l=
eaving small things
behind.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Will</div><div><br></div>=
<div><font style=3D"color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><i>Sent from my Verizon Wirele=
ss 4G LTE DROID</i></font></div></div><br><br>"Ray Williams njraywms@optonl=
ine.net [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:<br>=
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<p>Will,</p><div> This is perfect. I ju=
st wanted to make sure that Virginia had the lawful ability to make their o=
wn coins (stated in their charter) even if they didn't take advantage of do=
ing so. I either read about it or heard about it in someone's present=
ation. I just needed a reference for some editing I'm doing.</div><di=
v>Thanks</div><div>Ray</div><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana;"><div> =
;</div><div> </div><div> </div>On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 10:17 PM, =
books@bowmanstonepress.com [colonial-coins] wrote:<div> </div><div>&nb=
sp;</div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left-color:=
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Also, see Crosby, p. 19. (Attached) Doesn't seem to preclude making t=
hem in America and I spoke to a fellow in NC who claimed that he knew of an=
early local issue, even paid him a little bit for information, but he wasn=
't able to track down anything solid. The 1773-1774 issues were
definitely made in England.</p><p>Will</p><p><br>--------------------------=
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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question<br>
From: "Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]" <colonial-c=
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Date: Wed, November 11, 2015 3:00 pm<br>
To: "colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" <col=
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lease send it. If<br>
> not, that's okay - I'll wait til I get home to locate the text in Phil=
's<br>
> article. That's probably where I heard it to begin with.<br>
> Ray<br>
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> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 01:57 PM, vacoinage@aol.com [colonial-coins]<b=
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> I am at work so I do not have it at hand but it is included in the 1st=
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> VA charter and upheld in the next two. <br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
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From: Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]<br>
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> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<br>
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> <mailto:vacoinage@aol.com> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
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From: Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net<br>
> <mailto:njraywms@optonline.net> [colonial-coins]<br>
> <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com <mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogrou=
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> I seem to recall hearing in some presentation=
that Virginia was<br>
> the<br>
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> only colony that had permission to make coins in their original<br>
><br>
> charter. Can anyone confirm this to be true - that they had<br>
> permission<br>
><br>
> and/or they were the only colony with permission?<br>
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> Thanks<br>
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