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Several years ago a dealer friend and I had a discussion of this very pheno=
menon, which has been going on for=C2=A0quite some time.=C2=A0 And every ti=
me there is online discussion, the slab counterfeiters and coin counterfeit=
ers take heed and correct their "errors."=C2=A0=C2=A0As they get better and=
better at their craft, there remain fewer and fewer who can tell the diffe=
rence.=C2=A0 Evidence exists that already both major slabbing companies hav=
e been fooled.=C2=A0 PCGS was set up at the=C2=A0Chicago International Coin=
Fair four years ago with a display of their own slabs that had fake or alt=
ered coins in them.=C2=A0 This raises the conundrum, "Can a fake coin (or f=
ake slab) be made so well that no one except the faker can tell the differe=
nce?"=C2=A0 That question, of course, has no answer, but the implications a=
re chilling, to say the least.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0 From: "Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]" <c=
olonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
To: "colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" <colon=
ial-coins@yahoogroups.com>=20
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 1:36 PM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Scary
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=C2=A0 Hi Guys,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 This is not colonial but it is scary!=C2=A0 A coun=
terfeit coin in a=20
counterfeit slab!=C2=A0 Although not on the below link, I think I heard tha=
t=20
the NGC number matches the coin and grade of a real slabbed coin.=C2=A0 So=
=20
how do we defend ourselves?=C2=A0 I don't have the answer.=C2=A0 If a coin =
dealer=20
is offered something like this, how can they tell it's bad.=C2=A0 Most peop=
le=20
just assume that if it's in plastic, it's good.=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 So if some of my friends out there are investing i=
n slabbed gold or=20
silver, be careful.=C2=A0 Get receipts, from reputable dealers, that itemiz=
e=20
the slab numbers.=C2=A0
Have fun out there!
Ray
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0_1_1448119297364_3204" dir=3D"ltr">Several years ago a dealer friend and I=
had a discussion of this very phenomenon, which has been going on for =
;quite some time. And every time there is online discussion, the slab=
counterfeiters and coin counterfeiters take heed and correct their "errors=
." As they get better and better at their craft, there remain fe=
wer and fewer who can tell the difference. Evidence exists that alrea=
dy both major slabbing companies have been fooled. PCGS was set up at=
the Chicago International Coin Fair four years ago with a display of =
their own slabs that had fake or altered coins in them. This raises t=
he conundrum, "Can a fake coin (or fake slab) be made so well that no one e=
xcept the faker can tell the difference?" That question, of course, h=
as no answer, but the implications are chilling, to say the least. &nb=
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coins@yahoogroups.com" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> <br> <b><span=
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 20, 2015 1:=
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This is not colonial but it is scary! A coun=
terfeit coin in a <br clear=3D"none">
counterfeit slab! Although not on the below link, I think I heard tha=
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the NGC number matches the coin and grade of a real slabbed coin. So =
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how do we defend ourselves? I don't have the answer. If a coin =
dealer <br clear=3D"none">
is offered something like this, how can they tell it's bad. Most peop=
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just assume that if it's in plastic, it's good. <br clear=3D"none">
So if some of my friends out there are investing i=
n slabbed gold or <br clear=3D"none">
silver, be careful. Get receipts, from reputable dealers, that itemiz=
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the slab numbers. <br clear=3D"none">
Have fun out there!<br clear=3D"none">
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