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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question
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This is a cool start.=C2=A0 I look forward to further thoughts on the topic=
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Ray
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On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 06:18 PM, Roger Siboni novacaesarea@yahoo.com=20
[colonial-coins] wrote:
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Hi Guys,
Back to my library and little peace and quiet to enjoy thinking about=20
Colonial numismatics. So for starters, I think the 1606 King James=20
Charter "maybe" was exclusively granted to Virginia. But at least a=20
serious case can be made that it was also
granted to Maryland (see Jordan: Notre Dame Web Site: under the=20
"privileges of any Bishop of Durham" which Lou has amplified in other=20
writings).=C2=A0
Having said that, I also thought it was worth saying that I don't think=20
this 1606 Charter granted to the Virginia Company has much to do with=20
the small copper Virginia Halfpenny coinage. The original Charter was=20
long ago revoked and a new (Colony initiated) more practical Bill was=20
authorized by the Virginia Assembly in 1769. That measure authorized=20
Treasurer Robert Carter Nicholas to obtain 2,500 pounds of copper=20
halfpennies.
The correspondence between
Nicholas and J Norton and Sons (Merchants for the Colony and mentioned=20
in my earlier post) is fascinating in that it chronicles all the back=20
and forth of getting the coinage made from a letter in December 1769 to=20
final delivery and Royal Proclamation to allow circulation in February=20
1775 after hostilities had already broken out.=C2=A0
Reading between the lines, I think part of the delay was that the=20
original Virginia Assembly Bill came under Lord Hillsbourough who=20
oversaw the American Colonies for the Crown and wanted to contain their=20
activities in every way. But the final approval, manufacture and=20
ultimate issuance under the King's proclamation happened under Lord=20
Dartmouth who was far more sympathetic to the Colonies. But this latter=20
part is total conjecture on my part. I never really liked Hillsbourough=20
:)!
Anyway...my two pence.
Roger Siboni
On Monday, November 16, 2015 12:44 PM, "Roger Siboni=20
novacaesarea@yahoo.com [colonial-coins]"=20
<colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Hi Guys,
Traveling now so can't do chapter and verse, but check out John Norton=20
and Sons:Merchants of London and Virginia (Frances Norton Mason) that=20
goes into the excruciating detail and back and forth of arranging to=20
have Virginia Halfpennies made in England for the Virginia Colony.=C2=A0
They were Merchants for the Colony. I am pretty sure they go into the=20
authorization as part of the contracting process.=C2=A0
More when I am back.=C2=A0
Hope this helps a little.
Roger
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0>
On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 10:17 PM, books@bowmanstonepress.com=20
[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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Also, see Crosby, p. 19. (Attached) =C2=A0Doesn't seem to preclude making=20
them in America and I spoke to a fellow in NC who claimed that he knew=20
of an early local issue, even paid him a little bit for information, but=20
he wasn't able to track down anything solid. =C2=A0The 1773-1774 issues wer=
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definitely made in England.
Will
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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question
From: "Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]"=20
<colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, November 11, 2015 3:00 pm
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> Thanks Alan,
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This is a cool start. I look forward to further thoughts on the topic=
.</div><div>Ray</div><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana;"><div> </div>=
<div> </div><div> </div>On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 06:18 PM, Roger S=
iboni novacaesarea@yahoo.com [colonial-coins] wrote:<div> </div><div>&=
nbsp;</div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1e=
x; border-left-color: rgb(136, 136, 136); border-left-width: 2px; border-le=
ft-style: solid;">
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ue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; backgroun=
d-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id=3D"yiv5458433148"><div id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1448146050087_2829"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448146050087_2828" style=
=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvet=
ica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: r=
gb(255, 255, 255);"><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482=
"><span id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6500">Hi Guys,</span>=
</div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482"><span><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></span></div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_144813453508=
5_6482" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_662=
2">Back to my library and little peace and quiet to enjoy thinking about Co=
lonial numismatics. So for starters, I think the 1606 King James Charter "m=
aybe" was exclusively granted to Virginia. But at least a serious case can =
be made that it was also
granted to Maryland (see Jordan: Notre Dame Web Site: under the "privilege=
s of any Bishop of Durham" which Lou has amplified in other writings). =
;</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482" dir=
=3D"ltr"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_=
3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_=
0_1_1448134535085_6719">Having said that, I also thought it was worth sayin=
g that I don't think this 1606 Charter granted to the Virginia Company has =
much to do with the small copper Virginia Halfpenny coinage. The original C=
harter was long ago revoked and a new (Colony initiated) more practical Bil=
l was authorized by the Virginia Assembly in 1769. That measure authorized =
Treasurer Robert Carter Nicholas to obtain 2,500 pounds of copper halfpenni=
es.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482" di=
r=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482=
" dir=3D"ltr">The correspondence between
Nicholas and J Norton and Sons (Merchants for the Colony and mentioned in =
my earlier post) is fascinating in that it chronicles all the back and fort=
h of getting the coinage made from a letter in December 1769 to final deliv=
ery and Royal Proclamation to allow circulation in February 1775 after host=
ilities had already broken out. </div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16=
_0_1_1448134535085_6482" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_=
3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482" dir=3D"ltr">Reading between the lines, I think=
part of the delay was that the original Virginia Assembly Bill came under =
Lord Hillsbourough who oversaw the American Colonies for the Crown and want=
ed to contain their activities in every way. But the final approval, manufa=
cture and ultimate issuance under the King's proclamation happened under Lo=
rd Dartmouth who was far more sympathetic to the Colonies. But this latter =
part is total conjecture on my part. I never really liked Hillsbourough :)!=
</div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482" dir=3D"ltr">=
<br></div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_1448134535085_6482" dir=3D"l=
tr">Anyway...my two pence.</div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_144813=
4535085_6482" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui_3_16_0_1_14=
48134535085_6482" dir=3D"ltr">Roger Siboni</div><div id=3D"yiv5458433148yui=
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face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Monday, November 16, 2015 12:44 PM, "Roger Si=
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Hi Guys,</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Traveling =
now so can't do chapter and verse, but check out John Norton and Sons:Merch=
ants of London and Virginia (Frances Norton Mason) that goes into the excru=
ciating detail and back and forth of arranging to have Virginia Halfpennies=
made in England for the Virginia Colony. </div><div><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div>They were Merchants for the Colony. I am pretty sure they go i=
nto the authorization as part of the contracting process. </div><div><=
br clear=3D"none"></div><div>More when I am back. </div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>Hope this helps a little.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"=
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Also, see Crosby, p. 19. (Attached) Doesn't seem to preclude making t=
hem in America and I spoke to a fellow in NC who claimed that he knew of an=
early local issue, even paid him a little bit for information, but he wasn=
't able to track down anything solid. The 1773-1774 issues were
definitely made in England.</div><div>Will</div><div><br clear=3D"none">---=
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From: Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]<br clear=3D"none=
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> Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2015 1:32 pm<br clear=3D"none">
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> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question<br clear=3D"none=
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> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 01:27 PM, vacoinage@aol.com<br clear=3D"none">
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> That is correct Ray.<br clear=3D"none">
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