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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile?
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Thanks to David Sklow I recently completed the run of Wayte Raymond hardcov=
ers.
From: "Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial=
-coins@yahoogroups.com>
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile?
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=C2=A0 Oliver, I think Crosby should win that hands down -- again, not be=
cause the book itself isn't useful (it still is, and Eric Newman was right =
when he called it the cornerstone of all research in colonial American numi=
smatics), but because there are so many reprints available for a fraction o=
f the price of an original that no one actually needs to spend the money (n=
ow a grand or so) on an original....yet most of us do.
Maybe a poll on a favorite "not useful" book that doesn't have a reprint av=
ailable would be interesting too.=C2=A0 Something we own just because it is=
there, even though we may never open it again after our first perusal.=C2=
=A0 This might be a book that was supplanted later on -- say the Dickeson N=
umismatic Manual or the later Wayte Raymond Standard Catalogue....
Jeff
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, 'Oliver D. Hoover' oliver.hoover@sympatic=
o.ca [colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 Taking this discussion a little further, it might be interesting =
to take a poll of favorite "not useful" books (using Jeff's definition) tha=
t listmembers have in their research libraries.
Oliver
On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [colonial-c=
oins] wrote:
Ray, as someone who has built, disposed, built and disposed of a few librar=
ies over the years, I have to say that you are a bibliophile.=C2=A0 Yes, yo=
u can say that your library is only a research library -- but, truth be tol=
d, a research library would be just a couple of shelves of books and a comp=
uter tablet to view titles in the public domain without ever having to buy =
physical copies.=C2=A0 Anything that wasn't useful would be tossed or sold.=
=C2=A0 An original Crosby or Maris is not useful -- as you said, there are =
excellent reprints available that will do the job.=C2=A0 Yet I've owned sev=
eral Marises (Marisii?), a couple of Hall's on 1787 Connecticuts and a doze=
n Crosby's (I just sold two at auction, cutting my hoard down to just three=
copies...which is three more than are needed, of course).=C2=A0 I seldom l=
ooked at the originals -- if I needed to use the books for research I would=
use the reprints and not risk damaging the more valuable ones.=C2=A0 But e=
very now and then I would take the original off the shelves, thumb through =
it, breathe in that wonderful musty smell, and think about who owned that b=
ook before me, what they used it for, what coins they had in their hands as=
they were comparing images, etc.
My response to your question of whether you are a bibiliophile is easy -- A=
LL of us who collect colonial coins in a serious matter are bibliophiles.=
=C2=A0 We are collectors.=C2=A0 We want our coins, not in a crass monetary =
manner like a miser hoarding his gold, but rather to learn about them and b=
ring the past to life.=C2=A0 Our libraries are the same.=C2=A0 We want the =
reference books -- and the obscure titles, auction cataloguess that are 150=
years old and price lists of firms long out of business not because we are=
hoarding paper, but because they are there, they have something to teach u=
s and they are tied together with the areas we collect.=C2=A0 I have known =
NO serious collector of coins who didn't also appreciate numismatic books!=
=C2=A0 All major collectors of the past had impressive libraries -- Garrett=
, Brand, Norweb especially.=C2=A0 Newman and Ford built libraries that were=
just as impressive as their collections.=C2=A0 At the one Siboni BBQ that =
I was able to get to I spent more time drooling over the books on his shelv=
es than I did over the coins on display -- and there were some mighty impre=
ssive coins on display!
In fact, I would go even further -- if you DON'T have a decent library, you=
are simply NOT a serious numismatist.=C2=A0 You could be a casual collecto=
r or, worse, an investor.=C2=A0 But if you don't have more books than shelv=
es available, then you are doing something wrong!=C2=A0 So when Diane tells=
you that you don't need any more books, tell her that if you want to be co=
nsidered serious, you really do....and hey, they haven't been that bad of a=
n investment over the years either!
Jeff
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM, James Higby=C2=A0earlyamericancoppers@yaho=
o.com=C2=A0[colonial-coins]=C2=A0<colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>=C2=A0wrot=
e:
=C2=A0
The etymology of the word says it all:=C2=A0 biblio =3D book; phile =3D lov=
er.=C2=A0 Put "em together and go look in the mirror!
From:=C2=A0"Ray Williams=C2=A0njraywms@optonline.net=C2=A0[colonial-coins]"=
<colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
To:=C2=A0"colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=C2=A0colonial-coins@yahoogroups.co=
m" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>=C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Friday, December 11, 2015 7:59 AM
Subject:=C2=A0[Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile?
=C2=A0Hi Guys,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 After perusing the Kolbe Fanning catalog I receive=
d yesterday, I=C2=A0
paused to think about my library.=C2=A0 Am I a bibliophile?=C2=A0 What is a=
=C2=A0
bibliophile?=C2=A0 Both questions I have no answer for.=C2=A0 I consider my=
=C2=A0
library a working reference library.=C2=A0 Diane constantly tells me that I=
=C2=A0
don't need any more books - that I can't possibly read everything I have=C2=
=A0
in my lifetime.=C2=A0 I remind her it is a reference library and the materi=
al=C2=A0
is available when I need to read it.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 That being said, I have beautiful Quarterman repri=
nts of Crosby and=C2=A0
Maris, and a number of reprints of rare books.=C2=A0 These are perfect for=
=C2=A0
research and I can mark them up with notes in the margins and not worry=C2=
=A0
about the book's value.=C2=A0 I don't need to spend hundreds or thousands f=
or=C2=A0
an original copy.=C2=A0 There are some books that don't have reprints such =
as=C2=A0
Dickeson, but may be available online.=C2=A0 The Newman Numismatic Portal i=
s=C2=A0
digitizing many numismatic works, that will be available for everyone.=C2=
=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But, I do own an original Crosby and an original M=
aris, and some=C2=A0
other original works too.=C2=A0 There is something about holding a nicely=
=C2=A0
bound original book from the 1800's...=C2=A0 The same book that Wayte Raymo=
nd=C2=A0
used in his office or home.=C2=A0 The same Maris book that Quarterman used =
to=C2=A0
make its reprints...=C2=A0 There is a certain sentimentality that colonial=
=C2=A0
collectors have - that's why we attempt to keep pedigree information=C2=A0
intact for our coins.=C2=A0 Knowing who possessed the coins before us adds =
to=C2=A0
the romance of owning them.=C2=A0 Keeping this information intact for the=
=C2=A0
future owners is a task of love.=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The same is true for me with some books.=C2=A0 Hav=
ing an original of a=C2=A0
classic reference is a thrill.=C2=A0 I have friends that collect books for =
as=C2=A0
collectibles.=C2=A0 And then when the time comes, they sell/auction them to=
=C2=A0
other book collectors.=C2=A0 When the time comes to part with my library, i=
t=C2=A0
will have two markets - those that collect books and those that need=C2=A0
working references for their coin collections.=C2=A0 But some snowy evening=
=C2=A0
this Winter, you can find me in my recliner, with a fresh pot of coffee=C2=
=A0
and my 1875 Crosby in-hand.=C2=A0 Just another of many ways I enjoy our=C2=
=A0
hobby.
Have fun today!
Ray
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m [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com><br> <b><span sty=
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> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 1=
1, 2015 1:46 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></=
b> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile?<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D=
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<div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Oliver, I think Crosby should win th=
at hands down -- again, not because the book itself isn't useful (it still =
is, and Eric Newman was right when he called it the cornerstone of all rese=
arch in colonial American numismatics), but because there are so many repri=
nts available for a fraction of the price of an original that no one actual=
ly needs to spend the money (now a grand or so) on an original....yet most =
of us do.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Maybe a poll on a favorit=
e "not useful" book that doesn't have a reprint available would be interest=
ing too. Something we own just because it is there, even though we ma=
y never open it again after our first perusal. This might be a book t=
hat was supplanted later on -- say the Dickeson Numismatic Manual or the la=
ter Wayte Raymond Standard Catalogue....</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div=
><div>Jeff</div></div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=
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=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv2385251750gmail_quote" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144987=
6040091_4874">On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, 'Oliver D. Hoover' <a href=
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hape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca">oliver.hoover@s=
ympatico.ca</a> [colonial-coins] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:co=
lonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"r=
ect" ymailto=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoo=
groups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv=
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<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449876040091_4868">Taking this discussion a =
little further, it might be interesting to take a poll of favorite "not use=
ful" books (using Jeff's definition) that listmembers have in their researc=
h libraries.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144=
9876040091_4877">Oliver<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449876040091_4882"><div cla=
ss=3D"yiv2385251750h5" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449876040091_4881"><br clear=3D"=
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880"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449876040091_4879"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449876040091_4878">On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Rosa Amer=
icana <a href=3D"mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofol=
low" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com">rosaamltd@gmail.=
com</a> [colonial-coins] wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><span style=3D"text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; letter-spacin=
g: normal; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal=
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pse: separate;"></span><div><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div>Ray, as someone who has built, disposed, built and disposed o=
f a few libraries over the years, I have to say that you are a bibliophile.=
Yes, you can say that your library is only a research library -- but=
, truth be told, a research library would be just a couple of shelves of bo=
oks and a computer tablet to view titles in the public domain without ever =
having to buy physical copies. Anything that wasn't useful would be t=
ossed or sold. An original Crosby or Maris is not useful -- as you sa=
id, there are excellent reprints available that will do the job. Yet =
I've owned several Marises (Marisii?), a couple of Hall's on 1787 Connectic=
uts and a dozen Crosby's (I just sold two at auction, cutting my hoard down=
to just three copies...which is three more than are needed, of course).&nb=
sp; I seldom looked at the originals -- if I needed to use the books for re=
search I would use the reprints and not risk damaging the more valuable one=
s. But every now and then I would take the original off the shelves, =
thumb through it, breathe in that wonderful musty smell, and think about wh=
o owned that book before me, what they used it for, what coins they had in =
their hands as they were comparing images, etc.</div><div><br clear=3D"none=
"></div><div>My response to your question of whether you are a bibiliophile=
is easy -- ALL of us who collect colonial coins in a serious matter are bi=
bliophiles. We are collectors. We want our coins, not in a cras=
s monetary manner like a miser hoarding his gold, but rather to learn about=
them and bring the past to life. Our libraries are the same. W=
e want the reference books -- and the obscure titles, auction cataloguess t=
hat are 150 years old and price lists of firms long out of business not bec=
ause we are hoarding paper, but because they are there, they have something=
to teach us and they are tied together with the areas we collect. I =
have known NO serious collector of coins who didn't also appreciate numisma=
tic books! All major collectors of the past had impressive libraries =
-- Garrett, Brand, Norweb especially. Newman and Ford built libraries=
that were just as impressive as their collections. At the one Siboni=
BBQ that I was able to get to I spent more time drooling over the books on=
his shelves than I did over the coins on display -- and there were some mi=
ghty impressive coins on display!</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>I=
n fact, I would go even further -- if you DON'T have a decent library, you =
are simply NOT a serious numismatist. You could be a casual collector=
or, worse, an investor. But if you don't have more books than shelve=
s available, then you are doing something wrong! So when Diane tells =
you that you don't need any more books, tell her that if you want to be con=
sidered serious, you really do....and hey, they haven't been that bad of an=
investment over the years either!<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Jef=
f</div></div><div class=3D"yiv2385251750gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><di=
v class=3D"yiv2385251750gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM, James=
Higby<span> </span><a href=3D"mailto:earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:earlyam=
ericancoppers@yahoo.com">earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a><span> </sp=
an>[colonial-coins]<span> </span><span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mail=
to:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
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