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    As with the coins, provenance adds interest. I just bought a reprint copy
    of Hall's notes on 1787 Connecticuts, and it's cool that it formerly
    belonged to George Perkins. As regards a favorite "not useful," I was
    willing to pay to have my Dickenson rebound (using the original boards) and
    repaired.

    Bruce

    On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
    [colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    >
    >
    > Congratulations!
    > As with the Red Books, it's interesting to see how coin descriptions
    > and prices vary from year to year over the decades.
    > Thinking about Wayte Raymond, The original Crosby I own has his
    > bookplate on the inside front cover. I imagine he used this book often a=
    s
    > a reference in his business. BUT... When I saw the Ford library sale,
    > there was another Crosby having a Wayte Raymond bookplate. Why would he
    > own two Crosbys? As they had his bookplates pasted in the cover, I assum=
    e
    > they were his personal copies and not inventory for sale. I'm thinking h=
    e
    > may have had a personal library at home and another at his office...
    > I wonder if there's a good biography online for Raymond... I think
    > I'll take a minute to look right now.
    > Congratulations again!
    > Ray
    >
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 06:23 PM, James Higby
    > earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com [colonial-coins] wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks to David Sklow I recently completed the run of Wayte Raymond
    > hardcovers.
    >
    > ------------------------------
    > *From:* "Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [colonial-coins]" <
    > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
    > *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
    > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 1:46 PM
    > *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile?
    >
    >
    >
    > Oliver, I think Crosby should win that hands down -- again, not because
    > the book itself isn't useful (it still is, and Eric Newman was right when
    > he called it the cornerstone of all research in colonial American
    > numismatics), but because there are so many reprints available for a
    > fraction of the price of an original that no one actually needs to spend
    > the money (now a grand or so) on an original....yet most of us do.
    >
    > Maybe a poll on a favorite "not useful" book that doesn't have a reprint
    > available would be interesting too. Something we own just because it is
    > there, even though we may never open it again after our first perusal.
    > This might be a book that was supplanted later on -- say the Dickeson
    > Numismatic Manual or the later Wayte Raymond Standard Catalogue....
    >
    > Jeff
    >
    >
    >
    > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, 'Oliver D. Hoover'
    > oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca [colonial-coins] <
    > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Taking this discussion a little further, it might be interesting to take =
    a
    > poll of favorite "not useful" books (using Jeff's definition) that
    > listmembers have in their research libraries.
    >
    > Oliver
    >
    >
    >
    > On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com
    > [colonial-coins] wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > Ray, as someone who has built, disposed, built and disposed of a few
    > libraries over the years, I have to say that you are a bibliophile. Yes,
    > you can say that your library is only a research library -- but, truth be
    > told, a research library would be just a couple of shelves of books and a
    > computer tablet to view titles in the public domain without ever having t=
    o
    > buy physical copies. Anything that wasn't useful would be tossed or sold=
    .
    > An original Crosby or Maris is not useful -- as you said, there are
    > excellent reprints available that will do the job. Yet I've owned severa=
    l
    > Marises (Marisii?), a couple of Hall's on 1787 Connecticuts and a dozen
    > Crosby's (I just sold two at auction, cutting my hoard down to just three
    > copies...which is three more than are needed, of course). I seldom looke=
    d
    > at the originals -- if I needed to use the books for research I would use
    > the reprints and not risk damaging the more valuable ones. But every now
    > and then I would take the original off the shelves, thumb through it,
    > breathe in that wonderful musty smell, and think about who owned that boo=
    k
    > before me, what they used it for, what coins they had in their hands as
    > they were comparing images, etc.
    >
    > My response to your question of whether you are a bibiliophile is easy --
    > ALL of us who collect colonial coins in a serious matter are bibliophiles=
    .
    > We are collectors. We want our coins, not in a crass monetary manner lik=
    e
    > a miser hoarding his gold, but rather to learn about them and bring the
    > past to life. Our libraries are the same. We want the reference books -=
    -
    > and the obscure titles, auction cataloguess that are 150 years old and
    > price lists of firms long out of business not because we are hoarding
    > paper, but because they are there, they have something to teach us and th=
    ey
    > are tied together with the areas we collect. I have known NO serious
    > collector of coins who didn't also appreciate numismatic books! All majo=
    r
    > collectors of the past had impressive libraries -- Garrett, Brand, Norweb
    > especially. Newman and Ford built libraries that were just as impressive
    > as their collections. At the one Siboni BBQ that I was able to get to I
    > spent more time drooling over the books on his shelves than I did over th=
    e
    > coins on display -- and there were some mighty impressive coins on displa=
    y!
    >
    > In fact, I would go even further -- if you DON'T have a decent library,
    > you are simply NOT a serious numismatist. You could be a casual collecto=
    r
    > or, worse, an investor. But if you don't have more books than shelves
    > available, then you are doing something wrong! So when Diane tells you
    > that you don't need any more books, tell her that if you want to be
    > considered serious, you really do....and hey, they haven't been that bad =
    of
    > an investment over the years either!
    >
    > Jeff
    >
    > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM, James Higby
    > earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com [colonial-coins] <
    > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > The etymology of the word says it all: biblio =3D book; phile =3D lover.=
    Put
    > "em together and go look in the mirror!
    >
    > ------------------------------
    > *From:* "Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]" <
    > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
    > *To:* "colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" <
    > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
    > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 7:59 AM
    > *Subject:* [Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile?
    >
    >
    > Hi Guys,
    > After perusing the Kolbe Fanning catalog I received yesterday, I
    > paused to think about my library. Am I a bibliophile? What is a
    > bibliophile? Both questions I have no answer for. I consider my
    > library a working reference library. Diane constantly tells me that I
    > don't need any more books - that I can't possibly read everything I have
    > in my lifetime. I remind her it is a reference library and the material
    > is available when I need to read it.
    > That being said, I have beautiful Quarterman reprints of Crosby and
    > Maris, and a number of reprints of rare books. These are perfect for
    > research and I can mark them up with notes in the margins and not worry
    > about the book's value. I don't need to spend hundreds or thousands for
    > an original copy. There are some books that don't have reprints such as
    > Dickeson, but may be available online. The Newman Numismatic Portal is
    > digitizing many numismatic works, that will be available for everyone.
    > But, I do own an original Crosby and an original Maris, and some
    > other original works too. There is something about holding a nicely
    > bound original book from the 1800's... The same book that Wayte Raymond
    > used in his office or home. The same Maris book that Quarterman used to
    > make its reprints... There is a certain sentimentality that colonial
    > collectors have - that's why we attempt to keep pedigree information
    > intact for our coins. Knowing who possessed the coins before us adds to
    > the romance of owning them. Keeping this information intact for the
    > future owners is a task of love.
    > The same is true for me with some books. Having an original of a
    > classic reference is a thrill. I have friends that collect books for as
    > collectibles. And then when the time comes, they sell/auction them to
    > other book collectors. When the time comes to part with my library, it
    > will have two markets - those that collect books and those that need
    > working references for their coin collections. But some snowy evening
    > this Winter, you can find me in my recliner, with a fresh pot of coffee
    > and my 1875 Crosby in-hand. Just another of many ways I enjoy our
    > hobby.
    >
    > Have fun today!
    > Ray
    >
    >
    >
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    <div dir=3D"ltr">As with the coins, provenance adds interest. I just bought=
    a reprint copy of Hall's notes on 1787 Connecticuts, and it's cool=
    that it formerly belonged to George Perkins. As regards a favorite "n=
    ot useful," I was willing to pay to have my Dickenson rebound (using t=
    he original boards) and repaired.<div><br></div><div>Bruce</div></div><div =
    class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 a=
    t 6:53 PM, Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net">njraywms@=
    optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:=
    colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroup=
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    <p>Congratulations!</p><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 As with the Red =
    Books, it's interesting to see how coin descriptions and prices vary fr=
    om year to year over the decades.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thinki=
    ng about Wayte Raymond, The original Crosby I own has his bookplate on the =
    inside front cover.=C2=A0 I imagine he used this book often as a reference =
    in his business.=C2=A0 BUT...=C2=A0 When I saw the Ford library sale, there=
    was another Crosby having a Wayte Raymond bookplate.=C2=A0 Why would he ow=
    n two Crosbys?=C2=A0 As they had his bookplates pasted in the cover, I assu=
    me they were his personal copies and not inventory for sale.=C2=A0 I'm =
    thinking he may have had a personal library at home and another at his offi=
    ce...=C2=A0 </div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I wonder if there's a g=
    ood biography online for Raymond...=C2=A0 I think I'll take a minute to=
    look right now.=C2=A0 </div><div>Congratulations again!</div><div>Ray</div=
    ><div><div class=3D"h5"><div style=3D"font-family:Verdana"><div>=C2=A0</div=
    ><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div>On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 06:23 PM, James =
    Higby <a href=3D"mailto:earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">e=
    arlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a> [colonial-coins] wrote:<div>=C2=A0</div><=
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    16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>Thanks to David Sklow I =
    recently completed the run of Wayte Raymond hardcovers.</span></div><br> <=
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    2"> </font><hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span>=
    </b> "Rosa Americana <a href=3D"mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com" target=3D"=
    _blank">rosaamltd@gmail.com</a> [colonial-coins]" <<a href=3D"mailt=
    o:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogro=
    ups.com</a>><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a h=
    ref=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-co=
    ins@yahoogroups.com</a> <br>
    <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 11, =
    2015 1:46 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re=
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    <div>=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Oliver, I think Crosby should =
    win that hands down -- again, not because the book itself isn't useful =
    (it still is, and Eric Newman was right when he called it the cornerstone o=
    f all research in colonial American numismatics), but because there are so =
    many reprints available for a fraction of the price of an original that no =
    one actually needs to spend the money (now a grand or so) on an original...=
    .yet most of us do.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Maybe a poll on=
    a favorite "not useful" book that doesn't have a reprint ava=
    ilable would be interesting too.=C2=A0 Something we own just because it is =
    there, even though we may never open it again after our first perusal.=C2=
    =A0 This might be a book that was supplanted later on -- say the Dickeson N=
    umismatic Manual or the later Wayte Raymond Standard Catalogue....</div><di=
    v><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Jeff</div></div><div><br><br></div><div><di=
    v><br clear=3D"none"><div>On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, 'Oliver D. =
    Hoover' <a href=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca" rel=3D"nofollow" =
    shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca</a> [colonial-c=
    oins] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.co=
    m" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogr=
    oups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote style=3D"borde=
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    <div>Taking this discussion a little further, it might be interesting=
    to take a poll of favorite "not useful" books (using Jeff's =
    definition) that listmembers have in their research libraries.</div><div><b=
    r clear=3D"none"></div><div>Oliver<div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><br cle=
    ar=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div>On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:2=
    7 PM, Rosa Americana <a href=3D"mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow=
    " shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">rosaamltd@gmail.com</a> [colonial-coins]=
    wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"te=
    xt-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Helveti=
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    x;white-space:normal;border-collapse:separate"></span><div><br clear=3D"non=
    e"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Ray, as someone who has built, =
    disposed, built and disposed of a few libraries over the years, I have to s=
    ay that you are a bibliophile.=C2=A0 Yes, you can say that your library is =
    only a research library -- but, truth be told, a research library would be =
    just a couple of shelves of books and a computer tablet to view titles in t=
    he public domain without ever having to buy physical copies.=C2=A0 Anything=
    that wasn't useful would be tossed or sold.=C2=A0 An original Crosby o=
    r Maris is not useful -- as you said, there are excellent reprints availabl=
    e that will do the job.=C2=A0 Yet I've owned several Marises (Marisii?)=
    , a couple of Hall's on 1787 Connecticuts and a dozen Crosby's (I j=
    ust sold two at auction, cutting my hoard down to just three copies...which=
    is three more than are needed, of course).=C2=A0 I
    seldom looked at the originals -- if I needed to use the books for researc=
    h I would use the reprints and not risk damaging the more valuable ones.=C2=
    =A0 But every now and then I would take the original off the shelves, thumb=
    through it, breathe in that wonderful musty smell, and think about who own=
    ed that book before me, what they used it for, what coins they had in their=
    hands as they were comparing images, etc.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></d=
    iv><div>My response to your question of whether you are a bibiliophile is e=
    asy -- ALL of us who collect colonial coins in a serious matter are bibliop=
    hiles.=C2=A0 We are collectors.=C2=A0 We want our coins, not in a crass mon=
    etary manner like a miser hoarding his gold, but rather to learn about them=
    and bring the past to life.=C2=A0 Our libraries are the same.=C2=A0 We wan=
    t the reference books -- and the obscure titles, auction cataloguess that a=
    re 150 years old and price lists of firms long out of business not because =
    we are hoarding paper,
    but because they are there, they have something to teach us and they are t=
    ied together with the areas we collect.=C2=A0 I have known NO serious colle=
    ctor of coins who didn't also appreciate numismatic books!=C2=A0 All ma=
    jor collectors of the past had impressive libraries -- Garrett, Brand, Norw=
    eb especially.=C2=A0 Newman and Ford built libraries that were just as impr=
    essive as their collections.=C2=A0 At the one Siboni BBQ that I was able to=
    get to I spent more time drooling over the books on his shelves than I did=
    over the coins on display -- and there were some mighty impressive coins o=
    n display!</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>In fact, I would go even=
    further -- if you DON'T have a decent library, you are simply NOT a se=
    rious numismatist.=C2=A0 You could be a casual collector or, worse, an inve=
    stor.=C2=A0 But if you don't have more books than shelves available, th=
    en you are doing something wrong!=C2=A0 So when Diane tells you that you do=
    n't need any more books, tell her
    that if you want to be considered serious, you really do....and hey, they =
    haven't been that bad of an investment over the years either!<br clear=
    =3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Jeff</div></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div>O=
    n Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM, James Higby<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"ma=
    ilto:earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=
    =3D"_blank">earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a><span>=C2=A0</span>[colonial-=
    coins]<span>=C2=A0</span><span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-c=
    oins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">col=
    onial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>></span><span>=C2=A0</span>wrote:<br clea=
    r=3D"none"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-color:=
    rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><u></u><div=
    style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span>=C2=A0</span><div><div><=
    div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-famil=
    y:HelveticaNeue-Light,"Helvetica Neue Light","Helvetica Neue=
    ",Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;font-size:16px;=
    background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>The etymology of the word say=
    s it all:=C2=A0 biblio =3D book; phile =3D lover.=C2=A0 Put "em togeth=
    er and go look in the mirror!</span></div><br clear=3D"none"><div style=3D"=
    font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light,"Helvetica Neue Light","Helv=
    etica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;font-=
    size:16px"><div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,"Helvetica Neue&quo=
    t;,Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><di=
    v dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><hr size=3D"1"><b><spa=
    n style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b><span>=C2=A0</span>"Ray W=
    illiams<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net" rel=3D"=
    nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a><span>=
    =C2=A0</span>[colonial-coins]" <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@ya=
    hoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">colonial-c=
    oins@yahoogroups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
    t:bold">To:</span></b><span>=C2=A0</span>"<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-c=
    oins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">col=
    onial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:colonia=
    l-coins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">=
    colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coi=
    ns@yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">colon=
    ial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>><span>=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none"><b><=
    span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span>=C2=A0</span>Friday, =
    December 11, 2015 7:59 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:b=
    old">Subject:</span></b><span>=C2=A0</span>[Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophi=
    le?<br clear=3D"none"></div><div>
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