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As with the coins, provenance adds interest. I just bought a reprint copy of Hall's notes on 1787 Connecticuts, and it's cool that it formerly belonged to George Perkins. As regards a favorite "not useful," I was willing to pay to have my Dickenson rebound (using the original boards) and repaired.
Bruce
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> > > Congratulations! > As with the Red Books, it's interesting to see how coin descriptions > and prices vary from year to year over the decades. > Thinking about Wayte Raymond, The original Crosby I own has his > bookplate on the inside front cover. I imagine he used this book often a= s > a reference in his business. BUT... When I saw the Ford library sale, > there was another Crosby having a Wayte Raymond bookplate. Why would he > own two Crosbys? As they had his bookplates pasted in the cover, I assum= e > they were his personal copies and not inventory for sale. I'm thinking h= e > may have had a personal library at home and another at his office... > I wonder if there's a good biography online for Raymond... I think > I'll take a minute to look right now. > Congratulations again! > Ray > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 06:23 PM, James Higby > earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com [colonial-coins] wrote: > > > > > > Thanks to David Sklow I recently completed the run of Wayte Raymond > hardcovers. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com [colonial-coins]" < > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 1:46 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile? > > > > Oliver, I think Crosby should win that hands down -- again, not because > the book itself isn't useful (it still is, and Eric Newman was right when > he called it the cornerstone of all research in colonial American > numismatics), but because there are so many reprints available for a > fraction of the price of an original that no one actually needs to spend > the money (now a grand or so) on an original....yet most of us do. > > Maybe a poll on a favorite "not useful" book that doesn't have a reprint > available would be interesting too. Something we own just because it is > there, even though we may never open it again after our first perusal. > This might be a book that was supplanted later on -- say the Dickeson > Numismatic Manual or the later Wayte Raymond Standard Catalogue.... > > Jeff > > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, 'Oliver D. Hoover' > oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca [colonial-coins] < > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > Taking this discussion a little further, it might be interesting to take = a > poll of favorite "not useful" books (using Jeff's definition) that > listmembers have in their research libraries. > > Oliver > > > > On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Rosa Americana rosaamltd@gmail.com > [colonial-coins] wrote: > > > > Ray, as someone who has built, disposed, built and disposed of a few > libraries over the years, I have to say that you are a bibliophile. Yes, > you can say that your library is only a research library -- but, truth be > told, a research library would be just a couple of shelves of books and a > computer tablet to view titles in the public domain without ever having t= o > buy physical copies. Anything that wasn't useful would be tossed or sold= . > An original Crosby or Maris is not useful -- as you said, there are > excellent reprints available that will do the job. Yet I've owned severa= l > Marises (Marisii?), a couple of Hall's on 1787 Connecticuts and a dozen > Crosby's (I just sold two at auction, cutting my hoard down to just three > copies...which is three more than are needed, of course). I seldom looke= d > at the originals -- if I needed to use the books for research I would use > the reprints and not risk damaging the more valuable ones. But every now > and then I would take the original off the shelves, thumb through it, > breathe in that wonderful musty smell, and think about who owned that boo= k > before me, what they used it for, what coins they had in their hands as > they were comparing images, etc. > > My response to your question of whether you are a bibiliophile is easy -- > ALL of us who collect colonial coins in a serious matter are bibliophiles= . > We are collectors. We want our coins, not in a crass monetary manner lik= e > a miser hoarding his gold, but rather to learn about them and bring the > past to life. Our libraries are the same. We want the reference books -= - > and the obscure titles, auction cataloguess that are 150 years old and > price lists of firms long out of business not because we are hoarding > paper, but because they are there, they have something to teach us and th= ey > are tied together with the areas we collect. I have known NO serious > collector of coins who didn't also appreciate numismatic books! All majo= r > collectors of the past had impressive libraries -- Garrett, Brand, Norweb > especially. Newman and Ford built libraries that were just as impressive > as their collections. At the one Siboni BBQ that I was able to get to I > spent more time drooling over the books on his shelves than I did over th= e > coins on display -- and there were some mighty impressive coins on displa= y! > > In fact, I would go even further -- if you DON'T have a decent library, > you are simply NOT a serious numismatist. You could be a casual collecto= r > or, worse, an investor. But if you don't have more books than shelves > available, then you are doing something wrong! So when Diane tells you > that you don't need any more books, tell her that if you want to be > considered serious, you really do....and hey, they haven't been that bad = of > an investment over the years either! > > Jeff > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM, James Higby > earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com [colonial-coins] < > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > The etymology of the word says it all: biblio =3D book; phile =3D lover.= Put > "em together and go look in the mirror! > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]" < > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* "colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" < > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, December 11, 2015 7:59 AM > *Subject:* [Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile? > > > Hi Guys, > After perusing the Kolbe Fanning catalog I received yesterday, I > paused to think about my library. Am I a bibliophile? What is a > bibliophile? Both questions I have no answer for. I consider my > library a working reference library. Diane constantly tells me that I > don't need any more books - that I can't possibly read everything I have > in my lifetime. I remind her it is a reference library and the material > is available when I need to read it. > That being said, I have beautiful Quarterman reprints of Crosby and > Maris, and a number of reprints of rare books. These are perfect for > research and I can mark them up with notes in the margins and not worry > about the book's value. I don't need to spend hundreds or thousands for > an original copy. There are some books that don't have reprints such as > Dickeson, but may be available online. The Newman Numismatic Portal is > digitizing many numismatic works, that will be available for everyone. > But, I do own an original Crosby and an original Maris, and some > other original works too. There is something about holding a nicely > bound original book from the 1800's... The same book that Wayte Raymond > used in his office or home. The same Maris book that Quarterman used to > make its reprints... There is a certain sentimentality that colonial > collectors have - that's why we attempt to keep pedigree information > intact for our coins. Knowing who possessed the coins before us adds to > the romance of owning them. Keeping this information intact for the > future owners is a task of love. > The same is true for me with some books. Having an original of a > classic reference is a thrill. I have friends that collect books for as > collectibles. And then when the time comes, they sell/auction them to > other book collectors. When the time comes to part with my library, it > will have two markets - those that collect books and those that need > working references for their coin collections. But some snowy evening > this Winter, you can find me in my recliner, with a fresh pot of coffee > and my 1875 Crosby in-hand. Just another of many ways I enjoy our > hobby. > > Have fun today! > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >
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<div dir=3D"ltr">As with the coins, provenance adds interest. I just bought= a reprint copy of Hall's notes on 1787 Connecticuts, and it's cool= that it formerly belonged to George Perkins. As regards a favorite "n= ot useful," I was willing to pay to have my Dickenson rebound (using t= he original boards) and repaired.<div><br></div><div>Bruce</div></div><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 a= t 6:53 PM, Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net">njraywms@= optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:= colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroup= s.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m= argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p>Congratulations!</p><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 As with the Red = Books, it's interesting to see how coin descriptions and prices vary fr= om year to year over the decades.</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thinki= ng about Wayte Raymond, The original Crosby I own has his bookplate on the = inside front cover.=C2=A0 I imagine he used this book often as a reference = in his business.=C2=A0 BUT...=C2=A0 When I saw the Ford library sale, there= was another Crosby having a Wayte Raymond bookplate.=C2=A0 Why would he ow= n two Crosbys?=C2=A0 As they had his bookplates pasted in the cover, I assu= me they were his personal copies and not inventory for sale.=C2=A0 I'm = thinking he may have had a personal library at home and another at his offi= ce...=C2=A0 </div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I wonder if there's a g= ood biography online for Raymond...=C2=A0 I think I'll take a minute to= look right now.=C2=A0 </div><div>Congratulations again!</div><div>Ray</div= ><div><div class=3D"h5"><div style=3D"font-family:Verdana"><div>=C2=A0</div= ><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div>On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 06:23 PM, James = Higby <a href=3D"mailto:earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">e= arlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a> [colonial-coins] wrote:<div>=C2=A0</div><= div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left-c= olor:rgb(136,136,136);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid">
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<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Ne= ue Light,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:= 16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>Thanks to David Sklow I = recently completed the run of Wayte Raymond hardcovers.</span></div><br> <= div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light,Helvetica Neue Light,Helvetica= Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style= =3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,= sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"= 2"> </font><hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span>= </b> "Rosa Americana <a href=3D"mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com" target=3D"= _blank">rosaamltd@gmail.com</a> [colonial-coins]" <<a href=3D"mailt= o:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogro= ups.com</a>><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a h= ref=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-co= ins@yahoogroups.com</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 11, = 2015 1:46 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re= : [Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophile?<br> </div> <div><br><div><div> <span>=C2=A0</span>
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<div> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <div>=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Oliver, I think Crosby should = win that hands down -- again, not because the book itself isn't useful = (it still is, and Eric Newman was right when he called it the cornerstone o= f all research in colonial American numismatics), but because there are so = many reprints available for a fraction of the price of an original that no = one actually needs to spend the money (now a grand or so) on an original...= .yet most of us do.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Maybe a poll on= a favorite "not useful" book that doesn't have a reprint ava= ilable would be interesting too.=C2=A0 Something we own just because it is = there, even though we may never open it again after our first perusal.=C2= =A0 This might be a book that was supplanted later on -- say the Dickeson N= umismatic Manual or the later Wayte Raymond Standard Catalogue....</div><di= v><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Jeff</div></div><div><br><br></div><div><di= v><br clear=3D"none"><div>On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:37 AM, 'Oliver D. = Hoover' <a href=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca" rel=3D"nofollow" = shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca</a> [colonial-c= oins] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.co= m" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogr= oups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote style=3D"borde= r-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid= ">
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<div> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <div>Taking this discussion a little further, it might be interesting= to take a poll of favorite "not useful" books (using Jeff's = definition) that listmembers have in their research libraries.</div><div><b= r clear=3D"none"></div><div>Oliver<div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><br cle= ar=3D"none"></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div>On Dec 11, 2015, at 2:2= 7 PM, Rosa Americana <a href=3D"mailto:rosaamltd@gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow= " shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">rosaamltd@gmail.com</a> [colonial-coins]= wrote:</div><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span style=3D"te= xt-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-family:Helveti= ca;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0p= x;white-space:normal;border-collapse:separate"></span><div><br clear=3D"non= e"><br clear=3D"none"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Ray, as someone who has built, = disposed, built and disposed of a few libraries over the years, I have to s= ay that you are a bibliophile.=C2=A0 Yes, you can say that your library is = only a research library -- but, truth be told, a research library would be = just a couple of shelves of books and a computer tablet to view titles in t= he public domain without ever having to buy physical copies.=C2=A0 Anything= that wasn't useful would be tossed or sold.=C2=A0 An original Crosby o= r Maris is not useful -- as you said, there are excellent reprints availabl= e that will do the job.=C2=A0 Yet I've owned several Marises (Marisii?)= , a couple of Hall's on 1787 Connecticuts and a dozen Crosby's (I j= ust sold two at auction, cutting my hoard down to just three copies...which= is three more than are needed, of course).=C2=A0 I seldom looked at the originals -- if I needed to use the books for researc= h I would use the reprints and not risk damaging the more valuable ones.=C2= =A0 But every now and then I would take the original off the shelves, thumb= through it, breathe in that wonderful musty smell, and think about who own= ed that book before me, what they used it for, what coins they had in their= hands as they were comparing images, etc.</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></d= iv><div>My response to your question of whether you are a bibiliophile is e= asy -- ALL of us who collect colonial coins in a serious matter are bibliop= hiles.=C2=A0 We are collectors.=C2=A0 We want our coins, not in a crass mon= etary manner like a miser hoarding his gold, but rather to learn about them= and bring the past to life.=C2=A0 Our libraries are the same.=C2=A0 We wan= t the reference books -- and the obscure titles, auction cataloguess that a= re 150 years old and price lists of firms long out of business not because = we are hoarding paper, but because they are there, they have something to teach us and they are t= ied together with the areas we collect.=C2=A0 I have known NO serious colle= ctor of coins who didn't also appreciate numismatic books!=C2=A0 All ma= jor collectors of the past had impressive libraries -- Garrett, Brand, Norw= eb especially.=C2=A0 Newman and Ford built libraries that were just as impr= essive as their collections.=C2=A0 At the one Siboni BBQ that I was able to= get to I spent more time drooling over the books on his shelves than I did= over the coins on display -- and there were some mighty impressive coins o= n display!</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>In fact, I would go even= further -- if you DON'T have a decent library, you are simply NOT a se= rious numismatist.=C2=A0 You could be a casual collector or, worse, an inve= stor.=C2=A0 But if you don't have more books than shelves available, th= en you are doing something wrong!=C2=A0 So when Diane tells you that you do= n't need any more books, tell her that if you want to be considered serious, you really do....and hey, they = haven't been that bad of an investment over the years either!<br clear= =3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Jeff</div></div><div><br clear=3D"none"><div>O= n Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 9:04 AM, James Higby<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"ma= ilto:earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target= =3D"_blank">earlyamericancoppers@yahoo.com</a><span>=C2=A0</span>[colonial-= coins]<span>=C2=A0</span><span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-c= oins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">col= onial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>></span><span>=C2=A0</span>wrote:<br clea= r=3D"none"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-color:= rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><u></u><div= style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span>=C2=A0</span><div><div><= div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-famil= y:HelveticaNeue-Light,"Helvetica Neue Light","Helvetica Neue= ",Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;font-size:16px;= background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>The etymology of the word say= s it all:=C2=A0 biblio =3D book; phile =3D lover.=C2=A0 Put "em togeth= er and go look in the mirror!</span></div><br clear=3D"none"><div style=3D"= font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light,"Helvetica Neue Light","Helv= etica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;font-= size:16px"><div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,"Helvetica Neue&quo= t;,Helvetica,Arial,"Lucida Grande",sans-serif;font-size:16px"><di= v dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font><hr size=3D"1"><b><spa= n style=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b><span>=C2=A0</span>"Ray W= illiams<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net" rel=3D"= nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a><span>= =C2=A0</span>[colonial-coins]" <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@ya= hoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">colonial-c= oins@yahoogroups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weigh= t:bold">To:</span></b><span>=C2=A0</span>"<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-c= oins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">col= onial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:colonia= l-coins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">= colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coi= ns@yahoogroups.com" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank">colon= ial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>><span>=C2=A0</span><br clear=3D"none"><b><= span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span>=C2=A0</span>Friday, = December 11, 2015 7:59 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:b= old">Subject:</span></b><span>=C2=A0</span>[Colonial Numismatics] Bibliophi= le?<br clear=3D"none"></div><div>
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