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Bill, the product that JPL sold (briefly) was basically CARE with some
additives that as far as I know have not been tested out in any real
fashion. I bought a bottle, used it on a few pieces, one of which it
stripped the color from and left the coin an unnatural pink. I have not
used it since and heard similar things from others. If you get some I
would definitely test it out on some copper Lincoln cents before subjecting
any "real" coin to it! I would also NOT use it on anything super high
grade because if it damages those surfaces you are screwed.
Jeff
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:19 AM David Menchell dmenchell@gmail.com
[colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bill:
>
> I'm leary about applying chemicals to copper, unless you are removing
> dirt or verdigris. If the coin has choice surfaces or Mint red, I firs=
t
> put it in a poly bag. Otherwise, I use cotton pouches and neutral paper
> envelopes. For larger medals, I use poly bags and Mylar flios. The coi=
ns
> or medals are then placed in Intercept Shield lined boxes, which is
> designed to remove corrosive airborne molecules from the air surrounding
> the coins. I also use a product called Coinsafe, which emits a vapor th=
at
> is also supposed to reduce corrosion. This comes as a spongy material
> enclosed in a plastic shell about an inch in size. You can place several
> of them in a safe depending on the safe's volume. The silica gel packs
> are OK for removing moisture, but are a nuisance since they have to be
> reheated regularly to remove accumulated moisture. I prefer an electric
> dehumidifier if you are not running the A/C regularly. The only
> considerations are that they generate a fair amount of heat and may have =
to
> be hooked up to a drain, depending on the amount of water removed.
>
> Dave Menchell
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 12:10 PM Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
> [colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hilarious!
>> But seriously, I have no idea if it's any good.
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:06 AM, CMcdon0923@aol.com [colonial-coins]
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But it only works on coins with a Zn content of less that 23.7649%, Fe o=
f
>> <15.8133%, and Ni >7.9743%. Otherwise it dissolves them into molten pil=
es
>> of sludge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins] <
>> colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com <
>> colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 29, 2019 10:01 am
>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Winter Has Arrived In Texas
>>
>>
>> Yes... John Lorenzo came up with some type of cleaner. I have no idea
>> how well (if) it works. I would imagine that if it was really good, the
>> hobby would be jumping all over it, like Care & Blue Ribbon.
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:12 AM, William Gleckler
>> wgleckler@sbcglobal..net <wgleckler@sbcglobal.net> [colonial-coins]
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I am using blue ribbon and a small dehumidifier in the closet with the
>> safe...... I am just afraid that I will find out the hard way that all =
my
>> efforts have been in vain. The renewal sounds like it might be an effect=
ive
>> sealant. I will look into it. The product I was enquiring (or inquiring/=
)
>> about is something that someone was testing to remove corrosion. I can=
=E2=80=99t
>> remember who it was , but I think it was one of the guys with contempora=
ry
>> counterfeits and evasions.
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2019, at 3:52 PM, CMcdon0923@aol.com [colonial-coins] <
>> colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I don't recall that specific conversation, but seeing as you're living i=
n
>> an environment where moist salty air may be the norm, I think the main
>> thing would be first of all, keep the coins in as dry an environment as =
is
>> possible. Even the use of desiccant packets in an open storage system
>> might not be enough if they too are exposed 24x7 to that moist
>> environment.... It could require some form of air tight storage contain=
er
>> WITH the desiccant inside to absorb the moisture that would enter every
>> time you open the container.
>>
>> If that's not practical, I think that making sure the coins' surfaces ar=
e
>> treated with something like CARE or BLUE RIBBON would be prudent. Many
>> collectors of ancients use a product called RENWAX, but I've heard comme=
nts
>> that it leaves too much of a "waxy" look to the surfaces.. I've never u=
sed
>> it so I can't say for certain.
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William Gleckler wgleckler@sbcglobal.net [colonial-coins] <
>> colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: yahoogroups <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
>> <colonial-coins@yahoogroups..com>>
>> Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2019 2:33 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Winter Has Arrived In Texas
>>
>>
>> Now that I have a little time to hunker down for the winter, I need to
>> pay attention to my copper coins. I have moved to the eastern shore of
>> Maryland, right on the shoreline. I remember a discussion about chemical=
s
>> that could help protect copper coins. I did not buy any at the time, and
>> really don=E2=80=99t recall if the product was effective.I am trying to =
prevent
>> corrosion. Can anyone help ? Thanks
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2019, at 2:54 PM, Cmcdon0923 CMcdon0923@aol.com [colonial-coi=
ns]
>> <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just wanted to let y=E2=80=99all back East know that we feel your pain h=
ere in
>> the Lone Star State..
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> <IMG_2543.JPG>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone......so spelling doens't count...
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Bill, the product that JPL sold (briefly) was basical=
ly CARE with some additives that as far as I know have not been tested out =
in any real fashion.=C2=A0 I bought a bottle, used it on a few pieces, one =
of which it stripped the color from and left the coin an unnatural pink.=C2=
=A0 I have not used it since and heard similar things from others.=C2=A0 If=
you get some I would definitely test it out on some copper Lincoln cents b=
efore subjecting any "real" coin to it!=C2=A0 I would also NOT us=
e it on anything super high grade because if it damages those surfaces you =
are screwed.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div></div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:=
19 AM David Menchell <a href=3D"mailto:dmenchell@gmail.com">dmenchell@gmail=
.com</a> [colonial-coins] <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.=
com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;borde=
r-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid=
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<p></p><div dir=3D"auto">Hi Bill:<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">I'm leary about applying chemicals to copper,=C2=A0 unless yo=
u are removing dirt or verdigris.=C2=A0 =C2=A0If the coin has choice surfac=
es or Mint red,=C2=A0 I first put it in a poly bag.=C2=A0 Otherwise,=C2=A0 =
I use cotton pouches and neutral paper envelopes.=C2=A0 For larger medals,=
=C2=A0 I use poly bags and Mylar flios.=C2=A0 The coins or medals are then =
placed in Intercept Shield lined boxes, which is designed to remove corrosi=
ve airborne molecules from the air surrounding the coins.=C2=A0 I also use =
a product called Coinsafe,=C2=A0 which emits a vapor that is also supposed =
to reduce corrosion. This comes as a spongy material enclosed in a plastic =
shell about an inch in size.=C2=A0 You can place several of them in a safe =
depending on the safe's volume.=C2=A0 =C2=A0The silica gel packs are OK=
for removing moisture,=C2=A0 but are a nuisance since they have to be rehe=
ated regularly to remove accumulated moisture.=C2=A0 I prefer an electric d=
ehumidifier if you are not running the A/C regularly.=C2=A0 The only consid=
erations are that they generate a fair amount of heat and may have to be ho=
oked up to a drain, depending on the amount of water removed.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Dave Menchell=C2=A0</div></div><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 12:10 PM Ra=
y Williams <a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net" target=3D"_blank">njra=
ywms@optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins] <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coin=
s@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a> wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left-color:r=
gb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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<p>Hilarious!</p><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 But seriously, I=
have no idea if it's any good.</div><div>Ray</div><div style=3D"font-f=
amily:Verdana"><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div>On Tue, J=
an 29, 2019 at 11:06 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:CMcdon0923@aol.com" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">CMcdon0923@aol.com</a> [colonial-coins] wrote:<div=
>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex=
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nk" rel=3D"noreferrer">njraywms@optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins] <<a h=
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<div>Yes...=C2=A0 John Lorenzo came up with some type of cleaner.=C2=A0 I h=
ave no idea how well (if) it works.=C2=A0 I would imagine that if it was re=
ally good, the hobby would be jumping all over it, like Care & Blue Rib=
bon.</div>
<div>Ray</div>
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:12 AM, William Gleckler <a href=3D"mailto:wgleck=
ler@sbcglobal.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">wgleckler@sbcglobal=
..net</a> [colonial-coins] wrote:
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,136);border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid">
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I am using blue ribbon and a small dehumidifier in the closet with the safe=
...... I am just afraid that I will find out the hard way =C2=A0that all my=
efforts have been in vain. The renewal sounds like it might be an effectiv=
e sealant. I will look into it. The product I was enquiring (or inquiring/)=
about is something that someone was testing to remove corrosion. I can=E2=
=80=99t remember who it was , but I think it was one of the guys with conte=
mporary counterfeits and evasions.<br clear=3D"none">
<div><br clear=3D"none"><blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>On Jan 23, 2019, at 3:52 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:CMcdon0923@aol.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow noreferrer" shape=3D"rect">CMcdon0923@aol.co=
m</a> [colonial-coins] <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=
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<div>I don't recall that specific conversation, but seeing as you'r=
e living in an environment where moist salty air may be the norm, I think t=
he main thing would be first of all, keep the coins in as dry an environmen=
t as is possible.=C2=A0 Even the use of desiccant packets in an open storag=
e system might not be enough if they too are exposed 24x7 to that moist env=
ironment....=C2=A0 It could require some form of air tight=C2=A0<span style=
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=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">container WITH the desiccant insid=
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<div>If that's not practical, I think that making sure the coins' s=
urfaces are treated with something like CARE or BLUE RIBBON would be pruden=
t.=C2=A0 Many collectors of ancients use a product called RENWAX, but I'=
;ve heard comments that it leaves too much of a "waxy" look to th=
e surfaces..=C2=A0 I've never used it so I can't say for certain.</=
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<div>Craig</div>
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sage-----<br clear=3D"none">From: William Gleckler<span class=3D"gmail-m_-9=
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<div>Now that I have a little time to hunker down for the winter, I need to=
pay attention to my copper coins. I have moved to the eastern shore of Mar=
yland, right on the shoreline. I remember a discussion about chemicals that=
could help protect copper coins. I did not buy any at the time, and really=
don=E2=80=99t recall if the product was effective.I am trying to prevent c=
orrosion.=C2=A0 Can anyone help ? Thanks<br class=3D"gmail-m_-9016837063388=
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