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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Gilding/Silvering
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Fredrick Jackson Turner? Don't tell me the "germ" theory is back in
the vogue ;-)
mm
In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "higleyman <wnippe@a...>"
<wnippe@a...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Yes, I agree. That is why I said '...if these Native concepts
didn't
> drive the architecture of our Confederation and Constitution
> governments, they at least provided a comparative model that was
> known to have worked for more than two centuries.' I know that
> Madison studied in detail any scenario that remotely looked like a
> democracy. Regardless of how much it actually affected formation of
> our government and whether those who subscribe to the theory that
it
> did are 'historical heretics', it was remarkable that the Five
> Nations arrived at such a system when they did. By the way, where
do
> you stand on the Turner Thesis?
>
> Will
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "mike hodder <mhodder@t...>"
> <mhodder@t...> wrote:
> > The theory that the structures of the Iroquois Confederacy
directly
> inspired the
> > framers of our own Bill of Rights or Constitution has been raised
> and
> > challenged ever since the late 19th c. I do not believe it has
been
> accepted by
> > mainstream US historians. I don't want to get into an argument on
> the subject .
> > Life's too short and there are too many coins. I just wanted to
> interject a caveat
> > to the lector.
> >
> > Mike H
> > ========================================================
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "higleyman <wnippe@a...>" <
> > wnippe@a...> wrote:
> > > I posted this once, but it apparently didn't take...
> > >
> > > If you really want an eye-opener, look at the government that
the
> > > Five Nations (six after 1722) establihed around 1570. It isn't
> hard
> > > to see in it legislative, judical and executive branches, an
> > > electoral college, the concept of executive veto, right of
> secession,
> > > etc. It was a solid confederation of sovereign states until
> loyalties
> > > split during the revolution. Given the 18th American obsession
> with
> > > freedom being the natural state of man and observation of
nature,
> it
> > > is obvious that, if these Native concepts didn't drive the
> > > architecture of our Confederation and Constitution governments,
> they
> > > at least provided a comparative model that was known to have
> worked
> > > for more than two centuries. Plus, their use of wampum
> ceremonially
> > > at council raised the visibility of wampum enough for the Dutch
> to
> > > seize upon and corrupt (unless you buy the 'Money Speech' in
> Atlas
> > > Shrugged) the idea.
> > >
> > > Will
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