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- From 1-mar@mindspring.com Thu Feb 06 11:04:43 2003
Return-Path: <1-mar@mindspring.com> X-Sender: 1-mar@mindspring.com X-Apparently-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 6 Feb 2003 19:04:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 85536 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2003 19:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Feb 2003 19:04:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.65) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2003 19:04:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.188] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Feb 2003 19:04:29 -0000 Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 19:04:26 -0000 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Gilding/Silvering Message-ID: <b1ubjq+37gg@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <b1tv0t+417i@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2690 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Marcus M. Mayhugh <1-mar@mindspring.com>" <1-mar@mindspring.com> X-Originating-IP: 65.165.63.60 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=67606264 X-Yahoo-Profile: remi66111
- Fredrick Jackson Turner? Don't tell me the "germ" theory is back in the vogue ;-) mm
In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "higleyman <wnippe@a...>" <wnippe@a...> wrote: > > Mike, > > Yes, I agree. That is why I said '...if these Native concepts didn't > drive the architecture of our Confederation and Constitution > governments, they at least provided a comparative model that was > known to have worked for more than two centuries.' I know that > Madison studied in detail any scenario that remotely looked like a > democracy. Regardless of how much it actually affected formation of > our government and whether those who subscribe to the theory that it > did are 'historical heretics', it was remarkable that the Five > Nations arrived at such a system when they did. By the way, where do > you stand on the Turner Thesis? > > Will > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "mike hodder <mhodder@t...>" > <mhodder@t...> wrote: > > The theory that the structures of the Iroquois Confederacy directly > inspired the > > framers of our own Bill of Rights or Constitution has been raised > and > > challenged ever since the late 19th c. I do not believe it has been > accepted by > > mainstream US historians. I don't want to get into an argument on > the subject . > > Life's too short and there are too many coins. I just wanted to > interject a caveat > > to the lector. > > > > Mike H > > ======================================================== > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "higleyman <wnippe@a...>" < > > wnippe@a...> wrote: > > > I posted this once, but it apparently didn't take... > > > > > > If you really want an eye-opener, look at the government that the > > > Five Nations (six after 1722) establihed around 1570. It isn't > hard > > > to see in it legislative, judical and executive branches, an > > > electoral college, the concept of executive veto, right of > secession, > > > etc. It was a solid confederation of sovereign states until > loyalties > > > split during the revolution. Given the 18th American obsession > with > > > freedom being the natural state of man and observation of nature, > it > > > is obvious that, if these Native concepts didn't drive the > > > architecture of our Confederation and Constitution governments, > they > > > at least provided a comparative model that was known to have > worked > > > for more than two centuries. Plus, their use of wampum > ceremonially > > > at council raised the visibility of wampum enough for the Dutch > to > > > seize upon and corrupt (unless you buy the 'Money Speech' in > Atlas > > > Shrugged) the idea. > > > > > > Will
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