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    Fredrick Jackson Turner? Don't tell me the "germ" theory is back in
    the vogue ;-)
    mm



    In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "higleyman <wnippe@a...>"
    <wnippe@a...> wrote:
    >
    > Mike,
    >
    > Yes, I agree. That is why I said '...if these Native concepts
    didn't
    > drive the architecture of our Confederation and Constitution
    > governments, they at least provided a comparative model that was
    > known to have worked for more than two centuries.' I know that
    > Madison studied in detail any scenario that remotely looked like a
    > democracy. Regardless of how much it actually affected formation of
    > our government and whether those who subscribe to the theory that
    it
    > did are 'historical heretics', it was remarkable that the Five
    > Nations arrived at such a system when they did. By the way, where
    do
    > you stand on the Turner Thesis?
    >
    > Will
    >
    >
    > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "mike hodder <mhodder@t...>"
    > <mhodder@t...> wrote:
    > > The theory that the structures of the Iroquois Confederacy
    directly
    > inspired the
    > > framers of our own Bill of Rights or Constitution has been raised
    > and
    > > challenged ever since the late 19th c. I do not believe it has
    been
    > accepted by
    > > mainstream US historians. I don't want to get into an argument on
    > the subject .
    > > Life's too short and there are too many coins. I just wanted to
    > interject a caveat
    > > to the lector.
    > >
    > > Mike H
    > > ========================================================
    > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "higleyman <wnippe@a...>" <
    > > wnippe@a...> wrote:
    > > > I posted this once, but it apparently didn't take...
    > > >
    > > > If you really want an eye-opener, look at the government that
    the
    > > > Five Nations (six after 1722) establihed around 1570. It isn't
    > hard
    > > > to see in it legislative, judical and executive branches, an
    > > > electoral college, the concept of executive veto, right of
    > secession,
    > > > etc. It was a solid confederation of sovereign states until
    > loyalties
    > > > split during the revolution. Given the 18th American obsession
    > with
    > > > freedom being the natural state of man and observation of
    nature,
    > it
    > > > is obvious that, if these Native concepts didn't drive the
    > > > architecture of our Confederation and Constitution governments,
    > they
    > > > at least provided a comparative model that was known to have
    > worked
    > > > for more than two centuries. Plus, their use of wampum
    > ceremonially
    > > > at council raised the visibility of wampum enough for the Dutch
    > to
    > > > seize upon and corrupt (unless you buy the 'Money Speech' in
    > Atlas
    > > > Shrugged) the idea.
    > > >
    > > > Will

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