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Yes, Ray, that would be an awesome concept, a digital photogaphic condition census. Some day,.....
Robert Laviana
CMcdon0923@aol.com wrote:
<<I agree Craig, but these EF coins that are so ugly that I'd rather own a VG, are ending up being listed as EF coins in census lists. Census lists are useful to some and of no use to others but they normally don't include lengthy descriptions. That was one of the things that bothered me about the NJ Census in Penny Wise - I used the grades given by the owners. Sometimes those owners increased the grade over what was given in an auction catalog and on rare occasion, decreased the grade. There are other stories I could tell about grading and that census but it would serve no purpose. I agree though that us colonial guys don't want to fall into the same grading wars that plagued EAC and actually created factions. We all seem to get along just fine with how we do things now.>>>
Ray,
Understood, and agreed. But if I’m not mistaken, the LC census only includes coins that the “compiler of the data” has either personally viewed, or that have been viewed by one or two trusted minions, or of which photographs were taken (?).
Due to technology advances since census data first began being recorded, I personally now believe it has become necessary (or even mandatory) that any CC listing become a photographic (film or digital) compilation, and not just one of descriptions. How that translates into using it in a catalog or other written work is another question.
Differences of opinion regarding even technical grades of coins will never go away….introduce “net grading” into the picture and you’ve just screwed it up beyond any hope of ever getting it to work.
I don’t have answers to a lot of these questions, but ain’t that half the fun of it?
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<DIV>Yes, Ray, that would be an awesome concept, a digital photogaphic condition census. Some day,.....</DIV>
<DIV>Robert Laviana<BR><BR><B><I>CMcdon0923@aol.com</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT><<I agree Craig, but these EF coins that are so ugly that I'd rather own a VG, are ending up being listed as EF coins in census lists. Census lists are useful to some and of no use to others but they normally don't include lengthy descriptions. That was one of the things that bothered me about the NJ Census in Penny Wise - I used the grades given by the owners. Sometimes those owners increased the grade over what was given in an auction catalog and on rare occasion, decreased the grade. There are other stories I could tell about grading and that census but it would serve no purpose. I agree though that us colonial guys don't want to fall into the same grading wars that plagued EAC and actually created factions. We all seem to get along just fine with how we do things now.>>><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ray,<BR><BR>Understood, and agreed.
But if I’m not mistaken, the LC census only includes coins that the “compiler of the data” has either personally viewed, or that have been viewed by one or two trusted minions, or of which photographs were taken (?).<BR><BR>Due to technology advances since census data first began being recorded, I personally now believe it has become necessary (or even mandatory) that any CC listing become a photographic (film or digital) compilation, and not just one of descriptions. How that translates into using it in a catalog or other written work is another question.<BR><BR>Differences of opinion regarding even technical grades of coins will never go away….introduce “net grading” into the picture and you’ve just screwed it up beyond any hope of ever getting it to work.<BR><BR>I don’t have answers to a lot of these questions, but ain’t that half the fun of it?<BR><BR></TT><BR><TT>
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