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From: "John Lorenzo" <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com>
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Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
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Mario - What was the size in mm of the Blacksmith Penny in Taylor????
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "mario" <mariobyrge@c...>
wrote:
> RAY;
> YES, SWEDEN TRADED IN BARS. SOME TOWNS IN IRELAND ADAPTED
A "BARTER" IN TOKEN,.......SLAP TOKENS IS ONE OF THE MEANS. HOWEVER,
THIS COIN IS NOT A SLAP TOKEN,..........IT MORE THAN LIKELY WAS
A "LOCAL" TOKEN AND NOT HONORED IN TRADE THROUGHOUT ALL OF IRELAND.
ALSO DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, IRELAND WAS DIVIDED IN POLITICAL
CONTROL. I WOULD GUESS THAT THIS TOKEN OR COIN,..EVER HOW YOU WANT TO
LOOK AT IT, WAS SPARCELY PRODUCED WITHIN A LOCAL AREA,........MOST
LIKELY IN NORTHERN IRELAND,.........
> MARIO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Williams
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
>
>
> I was not aware of any copper coinage that traded in commerce by
weight. (Except those hugh Sweedish bars)
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mario
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
>
>
> I PLACED A BID ON THAT CONTEMPORARY COUNTERFEIT,.......IT
APPEARS THAT THE LEGEND MAYBE "RUNIC" INWHICH IT WOULD BE IRISH. I
REFERENCED THAT COIN AGAINST "IRISH SLAP TOKENS" AND CAME UP WITH
NOTHING IN THAT DESIGN STAGE AT ALL. TO ME, IT APPEARS TO BE
A "BARTER" TOKEN THAT WOULD CARRY THE VALUE BY THE WEIGHT OF THE
COPPER,......OFTEN, THEY WERE ISSUED DURING A DEPRESSION OR ECONOMIC
CALAPSE.
> I AGREE WITH CLEM, THAT PRICE IS A BARGAIN. WHEN I PLACED MY
BID,......I THOUGHT THE VIEWERS WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHAT IT IS,..SO I
THOUGHT,..........OH WELL,..............ONLY IF WE CAN PREDICT!
> MARIO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Byron Weston
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:04 PM
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Kleeberg"
> <jmkleeberg@y...> wrote:
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
> > <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> > could it have bought more if noticed by more people?? Or
did the
> two
> > high bidders just go real high and the winner got stuck???
anyone
> > know??? Thanks. Steve
> >
> > I don't know about the price, but it may not be totally
crazy. I
> > know very little about these things, other than that: they
are
> > Irish, they are rare, they circulated in Ireland in the
early
> > nineteenth century, they are penny size (as opposed to most
> > counterfeits, which are halfpenny size), they are made to
look
> > crude, there is an example of one in the American
Numismatic
> Society
> > collection (but I can't find it on the database at the
moment), and
> > there is some article that mentions them in the British
Numismatic
> > Journal, but I don't know the exact reference. I believe
the
> > younger group (Vicken, John K. or Eric C.) know more about
this
> than
> > I do - it was from one of them that I learned about the BNJ
article.
> >
> > It's like those crude Irish counterfeit shillings - all I
can do
> > about those is to say, "Ah, a slap token," in a knowing
voice, but
> > that's about the extent of my knowledge.
> >
> > John M. Kleeberg
>
> An obvious imitation of the 1805-6 Irish designs, John, but
it could
> have been made in either Ireland or Britain, likely Britain
though.
> Just an opinion.
> Byron
>
>
>
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