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Return-Path: <johnmenc@optonline.net> X-Sender: johnmenc@optonline.net X-Apparently-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89520 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2005 14:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Nov 2005 14:48:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.54) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 2005 14:48:47 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from [66.218.69.3] by n25.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 14:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.77] by mailer3.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Nov 2005 14:45:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:45:19 -0000 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <dlkpdv+v5rc@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.54 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.164.33.248 From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@optonline.net> Subject: A Canadian Blacksmith Connection via the True HTT's - A revisit X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=111282553; y=HBxegsXcxOl6TiIbHHqe_yvMoTAI6JAGqSmH7m8aPUJb8-4Yl95rzIQeOA X-Yahoo-Profile: colonial_john_c4
I had asked Patricia Kennedy if she had any connections to True of=20 Troy, New York. This was her response:
John Lorenzo,
In response to your message of 8 June, I should first emphasize that=20 the information in my message to you was derived from personal research conducted over a decade ago and limited to source materials=20 available at the National Archives of Canada (as we then were named). That research=20 focused on the exercise of clemency, hence did not extend to investigation=20 of minute details regarding various types of crime. While my research notes demonstrate the relative frequency of counterfeiting, forgery and=20 uttering, they provide at best only a starting point for a study of how and by=20 whom or where counterfeit coins were produced. The occupations of persons=20 involved in the production and circulation of false coin (notably that=20 silversmith in my listing of cases) should serve to clarify some of the suggestions=20 made by numismatists in the past, reducing speculation to substantive=20 explanation, and possibly matching particular surviving examples of spurious coin=20 to evidence given about their creation or circulation.
The most likely source of detailed descriptions for counterfeit=20 coins, and information about who was involved in their production would be the judicial records of prosecutions - attempted as well as successful prosecutions. In my experience, Indictments, affidavits, Sentences=20 and other documents produced by or for the courts will provide=20 substantial details about materials stolen, misappropriated, fraudulently=20 misrepresented (as in uttering), etc. Court records are a provincial=20 responsibility, hence are held in the provincial archives at Toronto and Quebec, Halifax, Fredericton, etc. While able to give you some advice on research=20 strategies and methods, I am not able to undertake any research on your behalf,=20 either here in the national archives nor by traveling to the provincial=20 archives.
(As an aside, let me mention that the accessibility of some source=20 materials for an investigation of the printing of merchants' scrip, also known=20 as "bons" or promissory notes, is quite another matter. The account=20 books of Brown & Gilmore, printers of the Quebec Gazette, and partnership's=20 heirs the brothers Samuel and John Neilson, contain numerous references to=20 printing of promissory notes, change notes, tickets and bons. A year ago I was=20 able to match surviving examples of such script - in the collection at the=20 Bank of Canada - to specific account book entries.)
Considering the passage you quoted regarding the authorization given=20 in the 1830s to various banks to procure and issue coins or tokens, I wonder whether numismatists have made extensive research into bank=20 records. The rationale for that 1835 decision by the Bank of Montreal to refuse=20 certain types of coppers would be well worth reading. Thinking of the=20 directives provided by the Post Office to its postmasters, I wonder whether the=20 banks provided directives to their minions regarding the means to recognize spurious coin and the procedures for refusing to accept suspect coin.
I'll leave those thoughts with you for the moment.
Patricia Kennedy Economic & Governance Archives, CAB, Library & Archives Canada 344 Wellington Street, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0N3
phone 613 - 996 7348 fax 613 - 943 8112 Internet Patricia.Kennedy@lac-bac.gc.ca
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