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From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
Subject: Shamus - I may have the answer?
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Shamus - When I look at the colonial group say 25 years ago and I=20
look at the colonial group today I find today of course many more=20
people in this niche than 25 years ago. You of course can back much=20
longer. When I first started (late 70's) I did not see much DEAD=20
WEIGHT. Or putting it in other terms Shamus almost everyone KNEW=20
alot and/or was a HARD CORE copper collector with little or casual=20
collecting. Additionally almost everone was quite territorial in=20
their own State Coinage area - myself in NJ's. There were no casual=20
or so-called weekend type collectors. Even Stacks auctions in the=20
mid to late 80's you would see the same dozen people - all very=20
passionate, well-learned experienced bidders each taking a slice of=20
the pie. Today Shamus the group is more diverse - how many people in=20
this group today REALLY CARE whether fingerprint linking or=20
metallurgy will be the main diagnostic tool 50 years from now ...=20
maybe a dozen of the 350 members. You need to keep this in mind=20
Shamus as I do when I post here ... sometimes the feedback is useful=20
and sometimes annoying. What may also be depressing is that the=20
knowledge behind each series has grown and with current prices it=20
really does not matter how much you know but to a large extent its=20
simply how much you got in your pocket ($$$). Twenty five years ago=20
knowing more than the other ELEVEN guys in the Auction War Room as=20
one collector I know use to call it was a big advantage - today how=20
important is this EXTRA information - minimally - at best in terms=20
of buying the so-called SLEEPER of the sale ... so Shamus - who is=20
going to spend 10 hours a week to build an E-SIG in C4 today? ...=20
really nobody ... there is no purpose anymore since there is so=20
little monetary advantage behind such an endeavor. Other than these=20
C4 specialized books which will be written which pretty much will=20
not be anymore than fine tuning all the existing varieities and=20
their diagnostics ... you can't really expect anymore today in 2006?=20
Soon people will be spending many times more for a plated 1775 C4=20
PLATED Long Neck than a cast George II contemporary counterfeit ...=20
this is the new C4 in the 21st Century Shamus ... just don't take it=20
that seriously ... just keep reading & learning & collecting ... and=20
once in awhile think about the GOOD OLD DAYS where everyone was=20
tuned in - ADVANCED - and there was no STATIC in the background <BG>.
JPL
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--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "shamus12017"=20
<shamus12017@y...> wrote:
>
> 11 JAN 2006
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> Hi all --
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> Since I was booted off this eGroup (and C4) by the moderator for=20
> reasons that are uncertain to me, I must sneak in the back door=20
like=20
> this in order to post a message.
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> Of the several hundred persons who are members of this eGroup,=20
only=20
> about 10 or so use it any longer for communnication purposes.=20=20
This=20
> group, like the eSIGs, has been ruined by a bunch of jerks with=20
posts=20
> similar to the following, and you each know who you are.=20
Communications=20
> between those seriously interested in Early American numismatics=20
is now=20
> accomplished privately on the Internet.
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> My recommendation is that this eGroup be cancelled by the=20
moderator as=20
> it now longer serves any useful purpose to those of us who would=20
like=20
> to discuss Early American numismatics.
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> Shamus
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> Subject:=20
> RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Another Reason to=20
unsubscribe=20
> from the list
> Date:=20
> Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:45:44 -0500
> From:=20
> "palmers4@e..." <palmers4@e...>
> Reply-To:=20
> colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> To:=20
> colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
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> John, I agree that these posts look bad for the group, and are=20
> personally
> distressing to me, as well. I have no idea what happened last=20
night. I
> don't think it was a full moon, but Steve gets like that once in=20
> awhile,
> and I think most of us have learned to turn it off when he does=20
it.=20
> I think to some extent, Stan has felt put upon on the group, of=20
late,=20
> due
> to his not being able to share some info, as yet, and he has been=20
taken=20
> to
> task for that. It is confidential, at this time, partly due to the=20
book=20
> in
> the works, and the amount of time and $ spent to get to the point=20
of
> research they are at. I offer no excuse for Stan's post last=20
night, as=20
> it
> took me totally by surprise.=20
> I must assume the moderator is out of town, as he usually handles=20
> outbursts
> like that quite quickly. I would hope we can handle it ourselves=20
> without
> quitting.=20
> I think even the lurkers on the group have something to offer. We=20
have=20
> had
> posts from a couple over the last few weeks, and I look forward to=20
> more.
> You have become a central figure to the group, sometimes keeping=20
us on
> point, and sometimes, thankfully taking us off point. I would hate=20
to=20
> see
> you, or anyone else on the group quit over a couple of stupid=20
posts. I=20
> know
> I have made a couple in the past. David
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> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: John Lupia jlupia2@y...
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:14:47 -0800 (PST)
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Another Reason to unsubscribe from=20
the=20
> list
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> <BR>
> --- Stan Stephens <sstephens@h...> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > Steve . you are the best.<BR>
> > I am pissed at allmost everyone using this thread<BR>
> > heading.<BR>
> > Up unto now I have really tried to keep my subjects<BR>
> > intact.<BR>
> > Fuck that.<BR>
> > Steve, I just got back from watching King<BR>
> > Kong....the big ape is super<BR>
> > cool.<BR>
> > I am really pissed about the subjects<BR>
> > headings.....and I know that<BR>
> > there are people on this list who feel the same....<BR>
> > so fuck off.<BR>
> > Vote me off.<BR>
> > This is fucked up and I have read the current<BR>
> > threads three times.<BR>
> > David, Ray and Roger ......you guys should know<BR>
> > better....I I love all<BR>
> > three of you guys....but this sort of email in my<BR>
> > opinion.....sucks<BR>
> > (vagueness) and it turns me off.<BR>
> > I archive everything.<BR>
> > ps.<BR>
> > I read this three times and I still pressed the send<BR>
> > button.<BR>
> > Damn it change the thread.<BR>
> > Why is this so hard?<BR>
> > Stan <BR>
> > <BR>
> > >>> taxi_steve929@y... 01/10/06 8:21 PM >>><BR>
> > Ching dow!!!!!!!! They are the best<BR>
> > brother!!!!!!!!!!! Gimmie some<BR>
> > scotcth@@@ Roger is in a blind drunk....lupia is all<BR>
> > messed up on pot<BR>
> > and Oliver is heavily into the coke.......Ray's<BR>
> > hitting a heavy bag<BR>
> > yelling somthing about cab drivers.....I'm sitting<BR>
> > back just relaxing<BR>
> > waiting for my good friends to give me a hug and<BR>
> > kiss!!!!!!!!!!!<s>....I<BR>
> > am only kidding about you all....I am a fat drunk<BR>
> > and take me for what I<BR>
> > am worth!!!!!!!!!<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Stan Stephens <sstephens@h...> wrote:=A0 Here<BR>
> > are three examples<BR>
> > of the figure 8 tail.<BR>
> > The three images are about 370K total.<BR>
> > The third one is shaped like infinity sign.<BR>
> > Syd, I thought I brought the group with your<BR>
> > horizontal 8 under the<BR>
> > king in but I goofed up.<BR>
> > I still have my photos organized by photo shoot.<BR>
> > Off to fianlly see King Kong.<BR>
> > Stan<BR>
>
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