Halfpence circulation.

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That was more tongue in cheek Bill.<s>.....how about elongated pennies? (cents for the purists)<s>

William Triest <wtriest2@yahoo.com> wrote: What is Jim defacing? The UK has periodically
demonitized old coinage, and the old shillings and
pence (pre decimal era) are in that category now.
Otherwise, the whole mailgroup has a blackmail
opportunity. Free sampl;es for all!

Yes, I was indeed referring to countermarking
counterfeits.

I wonder how the law mentioned by Steve would apply to
"love tokens" and the enameled coins that the late
Victorians produced.

Bill Triest

--- Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com> wrote:

> David, I read the question "To put advertising on
> counterfeits"....not the regal pieces. I wonder if
> that law is still on the books...if it is, Jim
> Skalbe is in a heap of trouble.<s>
>
> "palmers4@erols.com" <palmers4@erols.com> wrote: I
> forget when it happened, but Great Britain passed
> legislation making it a
> crime to counterstamp "coin of the realm". I believe
> it was later in the
> 19th century, which is why all the PEAR'S SOAP C/S
> are on French coins.
> But in answer to your question, MAYBE.
> We see them as advertising "tokens" now, I have no
> context as to what they
> were considered then. I would think they were viewed
> by authoirities as
> damaged and debased coins, so I would think they had
> no problem with people
> damaging already debased coinage? David
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: William Triest wtriest2@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:03:35 -0800 (PST)
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Halfpence
> circulation.
>
>
> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> As an exercise in legalistic semantics: 
> If counterfeits had become illegal, but merchant 
> tokens were still permitted, would putting
> advertising 
> on a counterfeit convert it to a quasi-legal
> merchant 
> token? 
> 
> Just a thought. 
> 
> Bill Triest 
> 
> --- Byron Weston <bkweston@verizon.net> wrote: 
> 
> > I think this is the first time that you've
> agreed 
> > with me to such an 
> > extent, John. I think I'll mark my calendar! 
> > Byron 
> > 
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John 
> > Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...> 
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Agreed - it seems so - I still like Mike
> Ringo's 
> > analogy - they 
> > > became so worthless and fround upon that the
> only 
> > real worth within 
> > > England may have been nothing more than base
> metal 
> > pieces which had 
> > > very limited value and ONE purpose would have
> been 
> > as possibly 
> > > advertising cards such as this piece. I guess
> it 
> > was one thing to 
> > > try to use them as money - but in terms of the
> law 
> > -it did not seem 
> > > a problem to put your OWN SIGNATURE on the 
> > counterfeits to 
> > advertise 
> > > your business without worrying about the
> POLICE 
> > coming in with a 
> > > warrant. If one was stuck with a hoard ... 
> > exportation to the 
> > > colonies of course seems logigal ... don't
> expect 
> > this piece going 
> > > on E-Bay anytime soon ... when I did buy
> this 
> > piece I did ask the 
> > > main question: Why would someone advertise
> his 
> > business on such a 
> > > piece or self incriminate himself using such
> a 
> > host coin? I guess 
> > > its more about quantity and for what purpose
> the 
> > CC's were being 
> > > used in the English economy during their
> RAPID 
> > decline in the very 
> > > early 19th century ... 
> > > 
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com,
> "Byron 
> > Weston" 
> > > <bkweston@v...> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com,
> "John 
> > Lorenzo" 
> > > <johnmenc@o...> 
> > > > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > It's hard to deny ... every couple of
> years 
> > someone tells me to 
> > > look 
> > > > > in Peck for this or that as an alternate 
> > source of 
> > > information ... I 
> > > > > am overdue ... maybe this counterstamp
> piece 
> > is the trigger ... 
> > > > 
> > > > By the time your counterstamp may have
> been 
> > counterstamped 
> > (>1810) 
> > > it 
> > > > is doubtful that counterfeit halfpence
> were 
> > still in general 
> > > > circulation, John, as apparently most were 
> > melted by then, as 
> > well 
> > > as 
> > > > many of Boulton's earlier Cartwheel coinage
> of 
> > Pence and Twopence. 
> > > > Byron 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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<DIV id=RTEContent>That was more tongue in cheek Bill.<s>.....how about elongated pennies? (cents for the purists)<s> William Triest <wtriest2@yahoo.com> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><TT>What is Jim defacing? The UK has periodically demonitized old coinage, and the old shillings and pence (pre decimal era) are in that category now. Otherwise, the whole mailgroup has a blackmail opportunity. Free sampl;es for all! Yes, I was indeed referring to countermarking counterfeits. I wonder how the law mentioned by Steve would apply to "love tokens" and the enameled coins that the late Victorians produced. Bill Triest --- Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com> wrote: > David, I read the question "To put advertising on > counterfeits"....not the regal pieces. I wonder if > that law is still
on the books...if it is, Jim > Skalbe is in a heap of trouble.<s> > > "palmers4@erols.com" <palmers4@erols.com> wrote: I > forget when it happened, but Great Britain passed > legislation making it a > crime to counterstamp "coin of the realm". I believe > it was later in the > 19th century, which is why all the PEAR'S SOAP C/S > are on French coins. > But in answer to your question, MAYBE. > We see them as advertising "tokens" now, I have no > context as to what they > were considered then. I would think they were viewed > by authoirities as > damaged and debased coins, so I would think they had > no problem with people > damaging already debased coinage? David > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: William Triest wtriest2@yahoo.com > Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:03:35 -0800 (PST) > To:
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Halfpence > circulation. > > > <html><body> > > > <tt> > As an exercise in legalistic semantics: > If counterfeits had become illegal, but merchant > tokens were still permitted, would putting > advertising > on a counterfeit convert it to a quasi-legal > merchant > token? > > Just a thought. > > Bill Triest > > --- Byron Weston <bkweston@verizon.net> wrote: > > > I think this is the first time that you've > agreed > > with me to such an > > extent, John. I think I'll mark my calendar! > > Byron > > > > --- In
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John > > Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Agreed - it seems so - I still like Mike > Ringo's > > analogy - they > > > became so worthless and fround upon that the > only > > real worth within > > > England may have been nothing more than base > metal > > pieces which had > > > very limited value and ONE purpose would have > been > > as possibly > > > advertising cards such as this piece. I guess > it > > was one thing to > > > try to use them as money - but in terms of the > law > > -it did not seem > > > a problem to put your OWN SIGNATURE on the >
> counterfeits to > > advertise > > > your business without worrying about the > POLICE > > coming in with a > > > warrant. If one was stuck with a hoard ... > > exportation to the > > > colonies of course seems logigal ... don't > expect > > this piece going > > > on E-Bay anytime soon ... when I did buy > this > > piece I did ask the > > > main question: Why would someone advertise > his > > business on such a > > > piece or self incriminate himself using such > a > > host coin? I guess > > > its more about quantity and for what purpose > the > > CC's were being > > > used in the English economy during
their > RAPID > > decline in the very > > > early 19th century ... > > > > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, > "Byron > > Weston" > > > <bkweston@v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, > "John > > Lorenzo" > > > <johnmenc@o...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It's hard to deny ... every couple of > years > > someone tells me to > > > look > > > > > in Peck for this or that as an alternate > > source of > > > information ... I > > > > > am overdue ... maybe this
counterstamp > piece > > is the trigger ... > > > > > > > > By the time your counterstamp may have > been > > counterstamped > > (>1810) > > > it > > > > is doubtful that counterfeit halfpence > were > > still in general > > > > circulation, John, as apparently most were > > melted by then, as > > well > > > as > > > > many of Boulton's earlier Cartwheel coinage > of > > Pence and Twopence. > > > > Byron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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