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Tracy,
I took the liberty of tweaking your scans and removing the backgrounds. It does look like it could easily have been excavated-- perhaps it was in sand for a long time, which lets the moisture drain more easily.
Mike
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From: Tracy Howard <tracydeanhoward@yahoo.com>
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:33:31 -0000
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] new (really poor ) photos Vlack 14-84a
I'm only relating the story as it was handed to me by a contemporary
of the event. My grandmother who was there. I have no reason to doubt
what she told me, however, I wasn't there. My father, who was quite
young at the time, held one of the coins until he was in the airforce
in the early 60's. He had an Irish penny. He tells th same story.
I've seen other coins that were found in the vicinity that were in
quite good shape.
That being said, I wasn't there, and the people who were there are
all deceased. So I can't prove anything.
Anyway, I have a couple of better scans that I'm putting in my photo
folder.
You all can judge for yourself.
Tracy D Howard
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Byron Weston" <bkweston@...>
wrote:
>
> That's doubtful, Ray, as salt water is highly corrosive to copper,
> and especially to base copper counterfeits, even if the cask didn't
> break apart until 1931.
> The 54 specimens that I'd examined from this wreck that were
gathered
> on Coin Beach around this same time all looked as if they'd been in
> an acid bath.
> Sometimes stories are embelished.
> Byron
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams <njraywms@>
> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > Maybe there was a cask of counterfeits that was well
protected
> in the ship and it broke apart during a 1931 storm... I'll read
the
> link you posted later.
> > Thanks,
> > Ray
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Lupia
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] new (really poor ) photos
> Vlack 14-84a
> >
> >
> > Hi Ray:
> >
> > Many specimens found in 1931 were reported in mint
> > state.
> >
> > http://www.treasureexpeditions.com/Deleware_Beach.htm
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- Ray Williams <njraywms@> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Tracy,
> > > I'm looking forward to some good quality
> > > pictures from Mike Ringo, but in the mean time, your
> > > attribution seems correct. Also, I've never seen a
> > > copper coin come from the Faithful Steward with this
> > > much detail - they are normally corroded severly
> > > from 200+ years being in the salt water. Nice coin!
> > > Ray
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tracy Howard
> > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:48 AM
> > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] new (really poor )
> > > photos Vlack 14-84a
> > >
> > >
> > > I have taken and downloaded several pics of the
> > > subject coin to the album section of the club
> > > site.
> > > I think the album is TDHoward.
> > > I apologize in advance for the poor resolution and
> > > fuzziness. They
> > > were taken with a hand held digital, I don't have
> > > a scanner. Hopefully
> > > we'll be able to produce, with MKRingo's help,
> > > good pics shortly.
> > > I hope that these are at least enough to verify
> > > I'm not just pulling
> > > your collective chains. :-)
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the good info.
> > >
> > > Tracy Howard
> > >
> > >
> > >
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<DIV>I took the liberty of tweaking your scans and removing the backgrounds. It does look like it could easily have been excavated-- perhaps it was in sand for a long time, which lets the moisture drain more easily.</DIV>
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<DIV>Mike</DIV> <BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Tracy Howard <tracydeanhoward@yahoo.com><BR>To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com<BR>Sent: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:33:31 -0000<BR>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] new (really poor ) photos Vlack 14-84a<BR><BR>
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of the event. My grandmother who was there. I have no reason to doubt
what she told me, however, I wasn't there. My father, who was quite
young at the time, held one of the coins until he was in the airforce
in the early 60's. He had an Irish penny. He tells th same story.
I've seen other coins that were found in the vicinity that were in
quite good shape.
That being said, I wasn't there, and the people who were there are
all deceased. So I can't prove anything.
Anyway, I have a couple of better scans that I'm putting in my photo
folder.
You all can judge for yourself.
Tracy D Howard
--- In <A href="mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>, "Byron Weston" <bkweston@...>
wrote:
>
> That's doubtful, Ray, as salt water is highly corrosive to copper,
> and especially to base copper counterfeits, even if the cask didn't
> break apart until 1931.
> The 54 specimens that I'd examined from this wreck that were
gathered
> on Coin Beach around this same time all looked as if they'd been in
> an acid bath.
> Sometimes stories are embelished.
> Byron
>
> --- In <A href="mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>, Ray Williams <njraywms@>
> wrote:
> >
> > John,
> > Maybe there was a cask of counterfeits that was well
protected
> in the ship and it broke apart during a 1931 storm... I'll read
the
> link you posted later.
> > Thanks,
> > Ray
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Lupia
> > To: <A href="mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] new (really poor ) photos
> Vlack 14-84a
> >
> >
> > Hi Ray:
> >
> > Many specimens found in 1931 were reported in mint
> > state.
> >
> > <A href="http://www.treasureexpeditions.com/Deleware_Beach.htm" target=_blank>http://www.treasureexpeditions.com/Deleware_Beach.htm</A>
> >
> > John
> >
> > --- Ray Williams <njraywms@> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Tracy,
> > > I'm looking forward to some good quality
> > > pictures from Mike Ringo, but in the mean time, your
> > > attribution seems correct. Also, I've never seen a
> > > copper coin come from the Faithful Steward with this
> > > much detail - they are normally corroded severly
> > > from 200+ years being in the salt water. Nice coin!
> > > Ray
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tracy Howard
> > > To: <A href="mailto:colonial-coins%40yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:48 AM
> > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] new (really poor )
> > > photos Vlack 14-84a
> > >
> > >
> > > I have taken and downloaded several pics of the
> > > subject coin to the album section of the club
> > > site.
> > > I think the album is TDHoward.
> > > I apologize in advance for the poor resolution and
> > > fuzziness. They
> > > were taken with a hand held digital, I don't have
> > > a scanner. Hopefully
> > > we'll be able to produce, with MKRingo's help,
> > > good pics shortly.
> > > I hope that these are at least enough to verify
> > > I'm not just pulling
> > > your collective chains. :-)
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the good info.
> > >
> > > Tracy Howard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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