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    Wasn't it theorized that Indians made the punches used in the early Charles=
    and Johanna pieces at the first Spanish American mint in Mexico City? They=
    weren't talentless in the art like I would be.<s>

    =A0



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    From: marc <marcm@sunflower.com>
    To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:15:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Indian counterfeiters? WAS: Important N=
    J Discovery - Botched V Punch

    =A0=20
    Oliver,
    There are a=A0few references to conquered Indian tribes counterfeiting thei=
    r own Spanish coins.=A0It is tough to image where they got the punches.
    =A0I wrote a little article concerning some of this for the C4 journal but =
    I think it got sidelined, or wasn't good enough<s>
    The cob guy, Mendel Sewell (?) claimed thye could smelt their own silver.
    Marc
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    >From: Oliver D. Hoover=20
    >To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com=20
    >Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:20
    >Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Indian counterfeiters? WAS: Important NJ D=
    iscovery - Botched V Punch
    >
    >=A0=20
    >The reason I ask is that I have been on and off working on =A0a chapter ab=
    out money and Native Americans =A0for my study of the French and Indian War=
    s period. From such evidence as I have been able to assemble, it looks like=
    most Indians (even those with long close contacts with the French and Angl=
    o-Americans) still had very little use for coins (as money) well into the 1=
    750s. While they might appreciate them as objects suitable for personal ado=
    rnment (i.e. pierced for necklaces), they seem not to have understood their=
    use in European-style commerce which was completely alien to most traditio=
    nal native modes of exchange. Bearing this in mind, I think it is unlikely =
    that by the1780s many Indians had become so well-attuned to European moneta=
    ry ways that (assuming a copper supply) they could have set up counterfeiti=
    ng operations. Besides, how would they have obtained screw presses?=A0=20
    >
    >
    >Oliver
    >
    >
    >
    >On 23-Sep-09, at 11:38 AM, Rand! y Clark wrote:
    >
    >
    >>
    >>LOL !
    >>
    >>Well, I am ashamed to say I did not consider it as a serious
    >>consideration, so narrow mindedness is always at hand. It
    >>depends on what we all think it takes to get something up
    >>and running (equipment wise) ... and the availability of raw
    >>materials. The raw materials, at least in my research, was
    >>the biggest constraint on state copper production. Many
    >>of the state mints melted brass/bronze/ copper ... which
    >>the native Americans were likely in short supply of. The
    >>alternatives of reusing existing host coins, smelting local ore
    >>or stealing federal copper ... native Americans would also
    >>likely have been ! at a disadvantage getting access to. Only
    >>Americans were allowed to steal federal copper.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver D. Hoover=A0<oliver.hoover@ sympa=
    tico. ca>=A0wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>
    >>>It always comes down to blaming the Canadians, doesn't it? =A0I'm going =
    to remember you said that Randy, after the conquest is complete.=20
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>I assume that you are also joking about the American Indian angle. Right=
    ?
    >>>
    >>>Oliver
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>On 23-Sep-09, at 11:18 AM, Randy Clark wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>Another interesting idea. But a thread I'd like to see pursued is
    >>>>clandestine minting by regional American Indian tribes. Think
    >>>>about it. Who had a bigger "axe" to grind than the indigienous
    >>>>population ? Since federal land had not yet been allocated to
    >>>>casinos, perhaps enterprising tribes made state colonials and=A0
    >>>>dumped them on the local market. And, since England was
    >>>>responsible for much of their troubles, they could have made=A0
    >>>>George II or III coppers for distribution offshore as well.
    >>>>
    >>>>Or maybe it was ... ssshhh ... the Canadians.=A0
    >>>>
    >>>>The point is ... all of this is like Monty Python's "Argument Clinic".
    >>>>It's all contradiction to some, and good fun for others, but there is
    >>>>not a lot of evidence anywhere to make hard conclusions about
    >>>>"who! done it". Yet.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 a t 8:02 AM, John Lupia=A0<jlupia2@yahoo. com>=A0w=
    rote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Randy
    >>>>>
    >>>>>Besides State Mints how about Mexican Mints. After all, it has been pr=
    oposed they made Lion Dollars. Why not state coppers as well. ;-)
    >>>>>
    >>>>>John N. Lupia III
    >>>>>New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon=A0
    >>>>>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Roman- Catholic- News/
    >>>>>God Bless Everyone
    >>>>>
    >>>>>--- On=A0Wed, 9/23/09, Randy! Clark=A0<centsitive@gmail. com>=A0wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>From: Randy Clark <centsitive@gmail. com>=20
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Important NJ Discovery - Botched =
    V Punch
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>To:=A0colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com
    >>>>>>Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 10:45 AM=20
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Wow.=A0
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>The list of British invasions gets bigger yet. In addition to the Rev=
    olution, 1812 and the Beatles,
    >>>>>>we now were clandestinely invaded with colonial state coppers. Crude =
    ones, no less ... which
    >>>>>>made them much different than the local colonial state co! ppers. An =
    interesting idea, but hard
    >>>>>>to see where the economics wou ld make any freaking sense to off shor=
    e makers, who would
    >>>>>>have to pay shipping costs to dump cheap coppers into a mark crowded =
    with cheap coppers.
    >>>>>>But hey ... who said counterfeiter had brains ?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Byron=A0<bkw11@psu.edu>=A0wrote:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>Hi Steve,
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>I predict that one day American "Colonial" collectors will have to w=
    rap their minds around the fact that a few of those crude NJ and CT coppers=
    were actually imports from Great Britain or Ireland, and not the product o=
    f some clandestine American mint.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Byron
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>--- In=A0colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com, Steve Frank <taxi_steve92=
    9@ ...> wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Didn't Conder tokens make their way here? It could have been the o=
    ther way around too. I agree with Byron's thoughts on most collectors wanti=
    ng to believe everything they own is "Made in the USA"<s>, but even though =
    the probabilities show this coin as being a British product, without proof,=
    the owners can imagine whatever they wish.....and usually do.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ __
    >>>>>>>> From: Ray Williams <njraywms@...>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> To:=A0colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com
    >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:54:29 AM
    >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Important NJ Discovery - Botch=
    ed V Punch
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> =A0
    >>>>>>>> Oliver,
    >>>>>>>> &n! bsp;=A0=A0=A0Because the Auctori Plebis reverse is muled with =
    other Conder Tokens, it appears that the design of the token was imitated f=
    rom that of a CT Copper and struck in England.=A0
    >>>>>>>> Ray
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> From: Oliver D. Hoover
    >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:06 AM
    >>>>>>>> To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com
    >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Important NJ Discovery - Botch=
    ed V Punch
    >>>>>>>> =A0
    >>>>>>>> Randy,
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I was wondering the same thing about the possible relationship bet=
    ween the Auctori Plebis pieces and the CT series.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Oliver
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 22-Sep-09, at 5:24 PM, Randy Clark wrote:
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>> >Byron ... is there now evidence Auctori Plebis is foreign made ? =
    It could equally be
    >>>>>>>> >considered a colonial issue in the absence of contrary evidence. =
    In fact, I was
    >>>>>>>> >looking closely at them for a while to see if it could have been =
    a CT product,
    >>>>>>>> >born of boredom or an attempt t! o skirt an ever tightening noose=
    of local coinage
    >>>>>>>> >restrictions. I am curious what others have learned to support fo=
    reign minting ...
    >>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>> >
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>------------ --------- --------- ------
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>=20
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>
    >>
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    ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;=
    font-size:14pt"><DIV>Wasn't it theorized that Indians made the punches used=
    in the early Charles and Johanna pieces at the first Spanish American mint=
    in Mexico City? They weren't talentless in the art like I would be.<s&g=
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    <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> marc <marcm@sunflo=
    wer.com><BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> colonial=
    -coins@yahoogroups.com<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN>=
    </B> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:15:53 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEI=
    GHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Indian counterfei=
    ters? WAS: Important NJ Discovery - Botched V Punch<BR></FONT><BR><SPAN sty=
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Oliver,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>There are a few references to conquer=
    ed Indian tribes counterfeiting their own Spanish coins. It is tough t=
    o image where they got the punches.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial> I wrote a little article concerning =
    some of this for the C4 journal but I think it got sidelined, or wasn't goo=
    d enough<s></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>The cob guy, Mendel Sewell (?) claimed thy=
    e could smelt their own silver.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>Marc</FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid" dir=3Dltr>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=
    =3Doliver.hoover@sympatico.ca href=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca" re=
    l=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca">=
    Oliver D. Hoover</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcolonial-coins@yahoog=
    roups.com href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofollow tar=
    get=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coi=
    ns@ yahoogroups. com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 23, 2009 =
    10:20</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Colonial Numismatics] Indi=
    an counterfeiters? WAS: Important NJ Discovery - Botched V Punch</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=20
    <DIV id=3Dygrp-text>
    <P>The reason I ask is that I have been on and off working on  a chapt=
    er about money and Native Americans  for my study of the French and In=
    dian Wars period. From such evidence as I have been able to assemble, it lo=
    oks like most Indians (even those with long close contacts with the French =
    and Anglo-Americans) still had very little use for coins (as money) well in=
    to the 1750s. While they might appreciate them as objects suitable for pers=
    onal adornment (i.e. pierced for necklaces), they seem not to have understo=
    od their use in European-style commerce which was completely alien to most =
    traditional native modes of exchange. Bearing this in mind, I think it is u=
    nlikely that by the1780s many Indians had become so well-attuned to Europea=
    n monetary ways that (assuming a copper supply) they could have set up coun=
    terfeiting operations. Besides, how would they have obtained screw presses?=
     =20
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Oliver<BR>
    <DIV><BR>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>On 23-Sep-09, at 11:38 AM, Rand! y Clark wrote:</DIV><BR class=3DApple=
    -interchange-newline>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN style=3D"FONT-VARIANT: normal; FONT-STYLE: =
    normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica=
    ; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: medium; FONT-WEIGHT=
    : normal" class=3DApple-style-span><BR><BR>LOL !<BR><BR>Well, I am ashamed =
    to say I did not consider it as a serious<BR>consideration, so narrow minde=
    dness is always at hand. It<BR>depends on what we all think it takes to get=
    something up<BR>and running (equipment wise) ... and the availability of r=
    aw<BR>materials. The raw materials, at least in my research, was<BR>the big=
    gest constraint on state copper production. Many<BR>of the state mints melt=
    ed brass/bronze/ copper ... which<BR>the native Americans were likely in sh=
    ort supply of. The<BR>alternatives of reusing existing host coins, smelting=
    local ore<BR>or stealing federal copper ... native Americans would also<BR=
    >likely have been ! at a disadvantage getting access to. Only<BR>Americans
    were allowed to steal federal copper.<BR><BR><BR>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Oliver D. Hoover<=
    SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN><SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=
    =3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymail=
    to=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca">oliver.hoover@ sympatico. ca</A>&g=
    t;</SPAN><SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN>wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid" class=3Dgmail=
    _quote>
    <DIV><BR><BR>It always comes down to blaming the Canadians, doesn't it? &nb=
    sp;I'm going to remember you said that Randy, after the conquest is complet=
    e.=20
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>I assume that you are also joking about the American Indian angle. Rig=
    ht?</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT color=3D#888888>
    <DIV>Oliver</DIV></FONT>
    <DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV class=3Dh5>
    <DIV><BR>
    <DIV>
    <DIV>On 23-Sep-09, at 11:18 AM, Randy Clark wrote:</DIV><BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><SPAN style=3D"TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT=
    : normal; FONT-STYLE: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; =
    FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-WEI=
    GHT: normal"><BR><BR>Another interesting idea. But a thread I'd like to see=
    pursued is<BR>clandestine minting by regional American Indian tribes. Thin=
    k<BR>about it. Who had a bigger "axe" to grind than the indigienous<BR>popu=
    lation ? Since federal land had not yet been allocated to<BR>casinos, perha=
    ps enterprising tribes made state colonials and<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>dumpe=
    d them on the local market. And, since England was<BR>responsible for much =
    of their troubles, they could have made<SPAN> </SPAN><BR>George II or =
    III coppers for distribution offshore as well.<BR><BR>Or maybe it was ... s=
    sshhh ... the Canadians.<SPAN> </SPAN><BR><BR>The point is ... all of =
    this is like Monty Python's "Argument Clinic".<BR>It's all contradiction
    to some, and good fun for others, but there is<BR>not a lot of evidence an=
    ywhere to make hard conclusions about<BR>"who! done it". Yet.<BR><BR>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 a t 8:02 AM, John Lupia<SPAN>=
     </SPAN><SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"mailto:jlupia2@yahoo.com" rel=
    =3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:jlupia2@yahoo.com">jlupia2@ya=
    hoo. com</A>></SPAN><SPAN> </SPAN>wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid" class=3Dgmail=
    _quote>
    <DIV><BR><BR>
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    <TD style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: inherit; font-stretch: inherit" vAlign=3Dtop>Rand=
    y<BR><BR>Besides State Mints how about Mexican Mints. After all, it has bee=
    n proposed they made Lion Dollars. Why not state coppers as well. ;-)<BR><B=
    R>John N. Lupia III<BR>New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon<SPAN> </SPAN><=
    BR><A href=3D"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/" rel=3Dnof=
    ollow target=3D_blank>http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/Roman- Catholic- News=
    /</A><BR>God Bless Everyone<BR><BR>--- On<SPAN> </SPAN><B>Wed, 9/23/09=
    , Randy! Clark<SPAN> </SPAN><I><<A href=3D"mailto:centsitive@gmail.=
    com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:centsitive@gmail.com"=
    >centsitive@gmail. com</A>></I></B><SPAN> </SPAN>wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><BR>From: Randy=
    Clark <<A href=3D"mailto:centsitive@gmail.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D=
    _blank ymailto=3D"mailto:centsitive@gmail.com">centsitive@gmail. com</A>>=
    ;=20
    <DIV><BR>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Important NJ Discovery - Botch=
    ed V Punch<BR></DIV>
    <DIV>To:<SPAN> </SPAN><A href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=
    " rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogrou=
    ps.com">colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com</A><BR></DIV>Date: Wednesday, Sept=
    ember 23, 2009, 10:45 AM=20
    <DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV><BR><BR>
    <DIV><BR><BR>Wow.<SPAN> </SPAN><BR><BR>The list of British invasions g=
    ets bigger yet. In addition to the Revolution, 1812 and the Beatles,<BR>we =
    now were clandestinely invaded with colonial state coppers. Crude ones, no =
    less ... which<BR>made them much different than the local colonial state co=
    ! ppers. An interesting idea, but hard<BR>to see where the economics wou ld=
    make any freaking sense to off shore makers, who would<BR>have to pay ship=
    ping costs to dump cheap coppers into a mark crowded with cheap coppers.<BR=
    >But hey ... who said counterfeiter had brains ?<BR><BR>
    <DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Byron<SPAN> =
    </SPAN><SPAN dir=3Dltr><<A href=3D"http://mc/compose?to=3Dbkw11@psu.edu"=
    rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>bkw11@psu.edu</A>></SPAN><SPAN> </S=
    PAN>wrote:<BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid" class=3Dgmail=
    _quote>Hi Steve,<BR><BR>I predict that one day American "Colonial" collecto=
    rs will have to wrap their minds around the fact that a few of those crude =
    NJ and CT coppers were actually imports from Great Britain or Ireland, and =
    not the product of some clandestine American mint.<BR><BR>Byron<BR><BR><BR>
    <DIV><BR>--- In<SPAN> </SPAN><A href=3D"http://mc/compose?to=3Dcolonia=
    l-coins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>colonial-coins@ yah=
    oogroups. com</A>, Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@ ...> wrote:<BR>><BR=
    ></DIV>
    <DIV>> Didn't Conder tokens make their way here? It could have been the =
    other way around too. I agree with Byron's thoughts on most collectors want=
    ing to believe everything they own is "Made in the USA"<s>, but even =
    though the probabilities show this coin as being a British product, without=
    proof, the owners can imagine whatever they wish.....and usually do.<BR>&g=
    t;<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> ____________ _________ _________ __<BR><=
    /DIV>> From: Ray Williams <njraywms@...><BR>
    <DIV>> To:<SPAN> </SPAN><A href=3D"http://mc/compose?to=3Dcolonial-=
    coins@yahoogroups.com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>colonial-coins@ yahoo=
    groups. com</A><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:54:29 AM<BR>&=
    gt; Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Important NJ Discovery - Botched V =
    Punch<BR>><BR>>  <BR>> Oliver,<BR>> &n! bsp; &nbs=
    p; Because the Auctori Plebis reverse is muled with other Conder Token=
    s, it appears that the design of the token was imitated from that of a CT C=
    opper and struck in England. <BR>> Ray<BR>><BR>><BR>> From=
    : Oliver D. Hoover<BR>> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:06 AM<BR>&=
    gt; To: colonial-coins@ yahoogroups. com<BR>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Num=
    ismatics] Important NJ Discovery - Botched V Punch<BR>>  <BR>> R=
    andy,<BR>><BR>> I was wondering the same thing about the possible rel=
    ationship between the Auctori Plebis pieces and the CT
    series.<BR>><BR>> Oliver<BR>><BR>><BR>> On 22-Sep-09, at 5:=
    24 PM, Randy Clark wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>>=
    >Byron ... is there now evidence Auctori Plebis is foreign made ? It co=
    uld equally be<BR>> >considered a colonial issue in the absence of co=
    ntrary evidence. In fact, I was<BR>> >looking closely at them for a w=
    hile to see if it could have been a CT product,<BR>> >born o
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