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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Debased Silver & Emergency Issues [1 Attachment]
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How about a 1280 pistareen? =C2=A0I have a couple of 1870 counterfeit =C2=
=A0Portrait dollars. I've been told the pistareen is regal. I agree Jeff, i=
f it was round and close, who cared?
Marc
On Friday, January 3, 2014 10:21 PM, Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@gmail.com> wrote:
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The date is, of course, a die engraver's error -- and happens both for back=
dating and forward dating.=C2=A0 There are George III Irish halfpennies for=
1966 and 1969, and I have a French coin that should be dated 1597 that is =
1957 instead. The strange thing is that it seems to have made no difference=
at all -- all these coins clearly saw some circulation.
Interestingly, the exact same dating error occurs on a Spanish 2 Reales -- =
pic attached.
Jeff
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 3:43 PM, <CMcdon0923@aol.com> wrote:
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>Using our current method of dating, yes.....but many ancients are "dated"=
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based on the rule of the king/empire in control.
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>=C2=A0
>In a message dated 1/3/2014 3:57:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, njraywms@o=
ptonline.net writes:
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>>Craig,
>>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1017 is the earliest dated coin that I'm aware=20
of.
>>Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>On 1/3/2014 4:34 PM, CMcdon0923@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>LOVE the "1017" date on the second one !!!!
>>>=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
>>>=C2=A0
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>>>In a message dated 1/3/2014 3:26:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, gnichols=
@cogeco.ca writes:
>>>=C2=A0=20
>>>>Ray and all=20
>>>>I collect counterfeit Spanish colonial silver portrait coins because I=
find them very interesting. They circulated in the early USA and colonial=
Canada. I will admit I am sort of poor and they are the only interesting =
=E2=80=9Ccolonial=E2=80=9D I can afford right now. Here are links to my las=
t 2 purchases. What does NGC mean?=C2=A0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1805 Mexico 8 Reales Carolus IIII SILVER Coin.Narrow TH KM#109 NGC Gra=
ded XF 45.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>8 REALES MEXICO OLD COIN MISSPRINDET DATE (VF) CARLUS THE 4TH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I invite anyone to join in this interesting pursuit.=C2=A0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Gord
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Dec 31, 2013, at 1:53 PM, johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not really debased silver but the finest contemporary counterfeit eve=
r created (my opinion) in terms of its workmanship - a Birmingham England =
Tower Mint Sheffield (i.e., silver-plated CC8R) produced by England during=
its war with Spain to assist in demonetizing Spain's currency. The diffic=
ulty really being when they come UNC or AU as many exist currently in TPG =
holders as regals and only (maybe) along the edges under a loop do we see =
the silver plating JUST starting to peel away. Its GNL classification bein=
g - GNL: 1794-O : Aa / R: So DA-001. The (a) denoting its a countermark ty=
pe CC8R variety. Progressive lettering such as b,c,d - denoting other diff=
erent counter marks being regal or fake based on Gurney's developed classi=
fication system for the book. I doubt a piece like this could get by Stack=
s/Bowers now due to our frequent correspondences and certainly Heritage wi=
ll be brought up to speed soon enough with the new CC8R book in its
final editing stages. Good
>>>>
>>
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nt-size:12pt"><div><span>How about a 1280 pistareen? I have a couple =
of 1870 counterfeit Portrait dollars. I've been told the pistareen is=
regal. I agree Jeff, if it was round and close, who cared?</span></div><di=
v style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue=
, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; backgrou=
nd-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Marc</span></div><div cla=
ss=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> <br> <br> <div style=3D"font=
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'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size:=
12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Friday, Janu=
ary 3, 2014
10:21 PM, Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> =
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The date is, of course, a die engraver's error =
-- and happens both for backdating and forward dating. There are Geor=
ge III Irish halfpennies for 1966 and 1969, and I have a French coin that s=
hould be dated 1597 that is 1957 instead. The strange thing is that it seem=
s to have made no difference at all -- all these coins clearly saw some cir=
culation.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Interestingly, the exact same dating err=
or occurs on a Spanish 2 Reales -- pic attached.</div><div><br clear=3D"non=
e">Jeff</div></div><div class=3D"yiv5403312109yqt8966173598" id=3D"yiv54033=
12109yqt00990"><div class=3D"yiv5403312109gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv5403312109gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 3, 20=
14 at 3:43 PM, <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:CMcdon0923@aol.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:CMcdon=
0923@aol.com">CMcdon0923@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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c solid;">
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</font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">Using our current =
method of dating, yes.....but many ancients are "dated"=20
based on the rule of the king/empire in control.</font></div><font color=3D=
"#000000" face=3D"Arial">
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<div>In a message dated 1/3/2014 3:57:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20
<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net=
" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net">njraywms@optonli=
ne.net</a> writes:</div>
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der-left-style:solid;"><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial" style=3D"back=
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<div class=3D"yiv5403312109im">Craig,<br clear=3D"none"> =
; 1017 is the earliest dated coin that I'm aware=20
of.<br clear=3D"none">Ray<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
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<div>On 1/3/2014 4:34 PM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"mai=
lto:CMcdon0923@aol.com" ymailto=3D"mailto:CMcdon0923@aol.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank" href=3D"mailto:CMcdon0923@aol.com">CMcdon0923@aol.com</a> wrote:<br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div>
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font><div class=3D"yiv5403312109im">
<div>LOVE the "1017" date on the second one !!!!</div>
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<div>In a message dated 1/3/2014 3:26:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, <a=
rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"mailto:gnichols@cogeco.ca" ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:gnichols@cogeco.ca" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:gnichols@c=
ogeco.ca">gnichols@cogeco.ca</a> writes:</div>
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olor:blue;border-left-width:2px;border-left-style:solid;"><font color=3D"#0=
00000" face=3D"Arial" style=3D"background-color:transparent;"><span> <=
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<div>Ray and all </div>
<div>I collect counterfeit Spanish colonial silver portrait coins bec=
ause=20
I find them very interesting. They circulated in the early USA and=20
colonial Canada. I will admit I am sort of poor and they are the only=
=20
interesting =E2=80=9Ccolonial=E2=80=9D I can afford right now. Here a=
re links to my last 2=20
purchases. What does NGC mean? </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"http://www.ebay.ca/i=
tm/171203094933?ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1438.l2649"=
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ebay.ca/itm/171203094933?ssPageName=
=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1438.l2649">1805 Mexico 8 Reales Caro=
lus IIII SILVER Coin.Narrow TH KM#109=20
NGC Graded XF 45.</a></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div><a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" title=3D"http://www.ebay.ca/i=
tm/271350215834?ssPageName=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1438.l2649"=
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.ebay.ca/itm/271350215834?ssPageName=
=3DSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=3Dp3984.m1438.l2649">8 REALES MEXICO OLD COIN =
MISSPRINDET DATE (VF) CARLUS THE=20
4TH</a></div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>I invite anyone to join in this interesting pursuit. </div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>Gord</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none"></div>
<div>On Dec 31, 2013, at 1:53 PM, <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
title=3D"mailto:johnmenc@optonline.net" ymailto=3D"mailto:johnmenc@optonlin=
e.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:johnmenc@optonline.net">johnmenc@op=
tonline.net</a>=20
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<div>Not really debased silver but the finest contemporary counterf=
eit=20
ever created (my opinion) in terms of its workmanship - a Birmingha=
m=20
England Tower Mint Sheffield (i.e., silver-plated CC8R) produced by=
=20
England during its war with Spain to assist in demonetizing Spain's=
=20
currency. The difficulty really being when they come UNC or AU as m=
any=20
exist currently in TPG holders as regals and only (maybe) along the=
=20
edges under a loop do we see the silver plating JUST starting to pe=
el=20
away. Its GNL classification being - GNL: 1794-O : Aa / R: So DA-00=
1.=20
The (a) denoting its a countermark type CC8R variety. Progressive=20
lettering such as b,c,d - denoting other different counter marks be=
ing=20
regal or fake based on Gurney's developed classification system for=
the=20
book. I doubt a piece like this could get by Stacks/Bowers now due =
to=20
our frequent correspondences and certainly Heritage will be brought=
up=20
to speed soon enough with the new CC8R book in its final editing st=
ages.=20
Good</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear=3D"n=
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