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From: "Robert Martin" <robertmartin22@live.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Eric Newman envelope
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Jeff,
Checked my notes and you did own and offered one of Newman=92s Muttonheads,=
a late die state 1.2-C in your FPL #12 (1997) and later reoffered it in FP=
L #14 (1999). A circle =93H=94 cardboard ticket accompanied this coin annot=
ated in Hall=92s script and later acquired and inked by W.W. Hays. I don=92=
t recall if Newman=92s envelope accompanied this coin.=20
Robert
From: Jeff Rock=20
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:42 AM
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Eric Newman envelope
=20=20
Bruce, if it was bought 10 years ago it isn't a Keller envelope -- he didn'=
t sell anything while he was alive, and while some things were stolen from =
him in the 1960's those were his Mass silver and coppers (and certainly wou=
ldn't have been in the same envelopes!). So maybe it is a Newman piece. E=
ric also didn't part with things, though he did sell a group to Mike Ringo =
at a very low price in return for some work Mike did for him with his colle=
ction. I had one of those pieces, a Muttonhead I think, on an earlier pric=
e list from the 1990's. I think I had a pic of the envelope there too -- i=
f you don't have my earlier lists, let me know and I will see if I can loca=
te it!
Jeff
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Bruce Smith <bhsmith325@gmail.com> wrote:
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Jeff,=20
I have 2 x 2 Keller envelopes. I didn't realize there were rectangular en=
velopes as well. I should have questioned the seller at the time, but 10 ye=
ars ago i probably wasn't as cognizant of the importance of provenance (and=
this isn't a spectacular coin). Thanks for the help.=20
Bruce
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Jeff Rock <rosaamltd@gmail.com> wrote:
=20=20=20=20=20=20
Bruce, yours looks more like one of the Philip Keller envelopes, which =
were mostly typed.
Jeff
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Robert Martin <robertmartin22@live.com=
> wrote:
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Bruce,
I own a few Connecticut coppers, that I acquired privately approximat=
ely 20 years ago from Eric Newman=92s collection. The coins were accompanie=
d with Eric=92s handwritten annotated envelopes. The envelopes are rectangu=
lar in shape (1 & 3/4=94 x 2 & 7/8 =93) and made of brown Manila type stock=
paper with a curved reverse flap. The envelopes show a center crease from =
folding for entry into a stock box. Eric=92s annotations on the envelopes i=
nclude handwritten attribution, weigh in grams and a % code (20%)....I susp=
ect some kind of cost code.
Robert
From: Bruce Smith=20
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:22 AM
To: colonial-coins=20
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Eric Newman envelope [1 Attachment]
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
After seeing a few images of envelopes from Eric Newman coins, I pull=
ed out an envelope that came with a Washington Military Bust piece that I h=
ad purchased about 10 years ago. It appears to me to be consistent, but I'm=
hoping someone here can help. I assume other collectors used similar envel=
opes, but the typewritten notes look close to me. There is another envelope=
, which contained the coin, folded in half and inserted in the outer envelo=
pe .=20=20
Bruce
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<DIV>Jeff,</DIV>
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<DIV>Checked my notes and you did own and offered one of Newman=92s Muttonh=
eads, a=20
late die state 1.2-C in your FPL #12 (1997) and later reoffered it in FPL #=
14=20
(1999). A circle =93H=94 cardboard ticket accompanied this coin annotated i=
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 20, 2014 5:42 AM</DIV>
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<DIV>Bruce, if it was bought 10 years ago it isn't a Keller envelope -- he=
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p;=20
Eric also didn't part with things, though he did sell a group to Mike Ringo=
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very low price in return for some work Mike did for him with his=20
collection. I had one of those pieces, a Muttonhead I think, on an ea=
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price list from the 1990's. I think I had a pic of the envelope there=
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this isn't a spectacular coin). Thanks for the help.=20
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<DIV>Bruce, yours looks more like one of the Philip Keller envelopes, w=
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jeff</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Robert Martin=
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<DIV>Bruce,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I own a few Connecticut coppers, that I acquired privately=20
approximately 20 years ago from Eric Newman=92s collection. The coins=
were=20
accompanied with Eric=92s handwritten annotated envelopes. The envelo=
pes are=20
rectangular in shape (1 & 3/4=94 x 2 & 7/8 =93) and made of b=
rown=20
Manila type stock paper with a curved reverse flap. The envelopes sho=
w a=20
center crease from folding for entry into a stock box. Eric=92s annot=
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a %=20
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<DIV>Robert</DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A title=3Dbhsmith325@gmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:bhsmith325@gmail.com" target=3D_blank>Bruce Smith</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 19, 2014 4:22 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcolonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com"=20
target=3D_blank>colonial-coins</A> </DIV>
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me. There is another envelope, which contained the coin, folded in ha=
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