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Jack, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thank you for the concise summary about what is ha= ppening.=C2=A0 Ray =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 04:48 PM, burfle23@yahoo.com [colonial-coins]=20 wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0
I actually received the PCGS pics last Friday; 11 total early copper=20 counterfeits caught in a submission. 2 half cents and 9 early lc's- pics=20 posted on Copper Notes Facebook page; submission also included various=20 silver "coins" thrown in. I intend to follow up with my contact there=20 and verify if there were any Colonials. The EAC group has documented 5 counterfeit 1798 "S-158's", all in slabs=20 (3 NGC, 1 PCGS, 1 ICG), and 3 counterfeit 1803 "half cents", all in NGC=20 slabs. The 1803 "source" coin was found to be an NGC slabbed example=20 sold last year in a Goldberg auction- all carry the same "circulation"=20 marks (scratches in the same place, die chips, etc. that aren't=20 associated with die states) as the key attribution points. It becomes=20 more obvious when you have a couple to examine together than just a=20 single example. My example "S-158" was raw and passed through some very=20 experienced EAC'ers as genuine in hand; very deceptive! Best, Jack
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<div style=3D"font-family: Verdana;"><div>Jack,</div><div>  = ; Thank you for the concise summary about what is happening. </d= iv><div>Ray</div><div> </div><div> </div>On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at = 04:48 PM, burfle23@yahoo.com [colonial-coins] wrote:<div> </div><div>&= nbsp;</div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1e= x; border-left-color: rgb(136, 136, 136); border-left-width: 2px; border-le= ft-style: solid;">
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I actually received the PCGS pics last Friday; 11 total early copper counte= rfeits caught in a submission. 2 half cents and 9 early lc's- pics posted o= n Copper Notes Facebook page; submission also included various silver "coin= s" thrown in. I intend to follow up with my contact there and verify if the= re were any Colonials.<br><br>The EAC group has documented 5 counterfeit 17= 98 "S-158's", all in slabs (3 NGC, 1 PCGS, 1 ICG), and 3 counterfeit 1803 "= half cents", all in NGC slabs. The 1803 "source" coin was found to be an NG= C slabbed example sold last year in a Goldberg auction- all carry the same = "circulation" marks (scratches in the same place, die chips, etc. that aren= 't associated with die states) as the key attribution points. It becomes mo= re obvious when you have a couple to examine together than just a single ex= ample. My example "S-158" was raw and passed through some very experienced = EAC'ers as genuine in hand; very deceptive!<br><br>Best,<br><br>Jack
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