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Actually there are three sides to every coin, and you would do well to look at them all.
Clem
-----Original Message----- From: William Smith [mailto:nutmeg06093@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:11 PM To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading
I also think that a grade is essential to each side, often times they are congruent, but often times, they are not, especially in the colonial world.
When the issue is 'condition census,' I would argue that condition is the average grade of two sides, or net grade, e.g., using the 70 point scale, (XF 40+ VF 20)/2 = VF 30 net. But, because grading standards and measurements can be very subjective, this is all academic to the credence buy it if you like it.
After all, there are two sides to every coin/story.
Robert Laviana
--- Original Message ----- From: Steve <mailto:taxi_steve929@yahoo.com> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com <mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading
Does anyone agree with me that grades should always be split Obv/Rev as opposed to ONLY one grade for the entire coin.....I could own a coin with a perfect mint state obverse that someone took a nail to on the reverse....this coin could be light years better on the obverse than the highest condition census coin but because of the reverse damage, people have to look at an inferior obverse as the number one coin. (which it is overall, but not taken seperately)
steve
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy= face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Actu= ally there are three sides to every coin, and you would do well to look at them all.<o= :p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle19><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy= face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![i= f !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 color=3Dblac= k face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:blac= k'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> William Smith [mailto:nutmeg06093@yahoo.com]<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 06, 2= 004 5:11 PM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> colonial-coins@yahoogrou= ps.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading</span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblac= k face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I als= o think that a grade is essential to each side, often times they are congruent, but often times, they are not, especially in the colonial world.</span></font><= font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o= :p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblac= k face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> = ;</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o= :p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblac= k face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>When = the issue is 'condition census,' I would argue that condition is the average gr= ade of two sides, or net grade, e.g., using the 70 point scale, (XF 40+ V= F 20)/2 =3D VF 30 net.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:= black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblac= k face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>But, = because grading standards and measurements can be very subjective, this= is all academic to the credence buy it if you like it.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o= :p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblac= k face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>After= all, there are two sides to every coin/story.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><= span style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p= >
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 color=3Dblac= k face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Rober= t Laviana</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span style=3D'color:black;mso-col= or-alt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-right:.5in;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mar= gin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt= ; padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><tt><font size=3D2 color=3Db= lack face=3D"Courier New"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier N= ew"; color:black'>Does anyone agree with me that grades should always be split Obv/Rev </span></font></tt><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier New= "><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family= :"Courier New"; color:black'><br> <tt>as opposed to ONLY one grade for the entire coin.....I could own a </tt= ><br> <tt>coin with a perfect mint state obverse that someone took a nail to on <= /tt><br> <tt>the reverse....this coin could be light years better on the obverse </t= t><br> <tt>than the highest condition census coin but because of the reverse </tt>= <br> <tt>damage, people have to look at an inferior obverse as the number one </= tt><br> <tt>coin. (which it is overall, but not taken seperately)</tt><br> <br> <tt> steve</tt><br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-break'> <![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style=3D'mso-special-character:line-bre= ak'> <![endif]></span></font><tt><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Courier Ne= w"><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black;mso-color-a= lt: windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></tt></p>
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