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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood-17?
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:59:20 -0400
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Hi Clem
That is a Wood 17. Check the bow and ribands(ribbons). They appear as if th=
ey are a little man bending to tie his ski boots.????? The point is that on=
Wood 17(and 18) the little man's back follows the nape of George's neck ex=
actly. There is a narrow (always the same width) channel between the little=
man's back and the back or nape of George's neck.=20
Check a Wood 16 (or the Charlton photo of a Wood 17 which is a Wood 16) at =
the bow and ribbons. The 'little man's' back has 2 huge triangular points i=
n it and doesn't follow the nape of George's neck at all. Also on Wood 16 t=
he 'little man' has a crook in his neck.
With respect to your lack of detail on the lower part of the reverse perhap=
s you have a different die rotation. If you check the scan of the Wood 25 I=
sent against the Baker speciman in the Taylor catalog you will note that t=
he Baker speciman has no detail on the bottom of the obverse and mine has p=
lenty. Mine is a 90 degrees rotation while I think most previously known sp=
ecimans were coin turn. Die rotation does matter.
Or perhaps yours is just weakly struck. I have noticed what appears to be a=
wide varience in striking pressure with many of the commoner blacksmiths. =
Of relatively high grade looking pieces some will appear to be flat with al=
most zero relief while others have plenty of relief but still no details. A=
ny details on the reverse of a Wood 17 are shallowly cut at best and a spec=
imen must be well struck to show them.
I hope this is of some help.
Gord
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Clement V. Schettino=20
To: C4=20
Cc: Clem at Work=20
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 7:36 AM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Wood-17?
Hey Gord,
Well I suppose this image makes my claims look pretty weak, but it's the
best I could get with a scanner. I had to way over lighten to show the
detail I did. There is considerably more detail on the bust and a bit mor=
e
on the nose, as well as on the reverse, especially at the spray and below
that arm. All that "stuff" that looks like dirt, is dirt. I've got some B=
lue
Ribbon on it trying to soften it up.
In "the brass" the coin appears quite choice, and I'm happy with it anywa=
y.
But it is a 17, right?
Clem
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Clem</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That is a Wood 17. Check the bow and=20
ribands(ribbons). They appear as if they are a little man bending to tie hi=
s ski=20
boots.????? The point is that on Wood 17(and 18) the little man's back foll=
ows=20
the nape of George's neck exactly. There is a narrow (always the same width=
)=20
channel between the little man's back and the back or nape of George's neck=
.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Check a Wood 16 (or the Charlton photo of =
a Wood 17=20
which is a Wood 16) at the bow and ribbons. The 'little man's' back has 2 h=
uge=20
triangular points in it and doesn't follow the nape of George's neck at all=
.=20
Also on Wood 16 the 'little man' has a crook in his neck.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With respect to your lack of detail on the=
lower=20
part of the reverse perhaps you have a different die rotation. If you check=
the=20
scan of the Wood 25 I sent against the Baker speciman in the Taylor catalog=
you=20
will note that the Baker speciman has no detail on the bottom of the obvers=
e and=20
mine has plenty. Mine is a 90 degrees rotation while I think most previousl=
y=20
known specimans were coin turn. Die rotation does matter.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Or perhaps yours is just weakly struck. I =
have=20
noticed what appears to be a wide varience in striking pressure with many o=
f the=20
commoner blacksmiths. Of relatively high grade looking pieces some will app=
ear=20
to be flat with almost zero relief while others have plenty of relief but s=
till=20
no details. Any details on the reverse of a Wood 17 are shallowly cut at be=
st=20
and a specimen must be well struck to show them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope this is of some help.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Gord</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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m:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:CopperClem@attbi.com" title=3DCopperClem@attbi.com>Clem=
ent V.=20
Schettino</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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title=3Dcolonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>C4</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:clement.schettino@axcelis.com"=20
title=3Dclement.schettino@axcelis.com>Clem at Work</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 25, 2002 7:3=
6=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Colonial Numismatics]=20
Wood-17?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Hey Gord,<BR><BR>Well I suppose this image makes my cl=
aims=20
look pretty weak, but it's the<BR>best I could get with a scanner. I had =
to=20
way over lighten to show the<BR>detail I did. There is considerably more=
=20
detail on the bust and a bit more<BR>on the nose, as well as on the rever=
se,=20
especially at the spray and below<BR>that arm. All that "stuff" that look=
s=20
like dirt, is dirt. I've got some Blue<BR>Ribbon on it trying to soften i=
t=20
up.<BR><BR>In "the brass" the coin appears quite choice, and I'm happy wi=
th it=20
anyway.<BR><BR>But it is a 17, right?<BR><BR>Clem<BR></TT><BR><BR><TT>To=
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to:<BR>colonial-coins-unsubscribe@egroups.com<BR><BR></TT><BR><BR><TT>You=
r use=20
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